Re: [cobalt-users] Qube2 Bcc: issues.....con't.

["Jason Aspinall" <jaspinall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lasman" <jlasman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cobalt-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [cobalt-users] Qube2 Bcc: issues.....con't.

> Now let's look at your headers and see if we can figure this out...
>
> >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> >  by mail.lion-breath.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA08957
> >  for <postmaster@localhost>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:18:25 GMT
> >Received: from pop3.mail.demon.net
> >  by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-4.7.4)
> >  for postmaster@localhost (multi-drop); Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:18:26 +0000
> >(GMT)
> >Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for
> >jaspinall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >           id 947005839:20:00067:8; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:10:39 GMT
>
> Looks like you're receiving your email using fetchmail from your demon
> dialup account.  Is that correct?

Indeed, we still use Demon (via POP3 collection) for our email, although
that is 'soon' to be moved to BT.

> If so, can you instead have demon send you the email via smtp (as I
recall,
> that's the demon default, is it not)?

I can pick up mail from Demon in either smtp or pop3 flavour.  The problem I
see, is configuring the Qube2 to pick mail up from an smtp server as opposed
to the pop3 server it wants to see :|  I've tried entering the smtp info on
the admin webpage, but complains that if cannot get authenticated, then
reverts the mail server address back to the pop3 one.

I've had a 'little' look around the various config files, but I'm not that
confident I know which ones need changing to perform the task I need :(

> That would solve the problem, as then you'd get the "envelope".

Indeed.  I've setup a temporary list server with eGroups, just to get some
'spammy looking' mail coming down the wires, with an invalid To: address
(but correct stripped envelope-to addy), so I can perform some tests.   As
you would guess, the mail currently is going through the admin account, as
you quite rightly said, Demon are stipping the envelope-to header from the
mail by the time it hits the pop boxes....

> Can demon be configured to give you the envelope Sender information in a
> header it adds before placing the mail into your "pop box"?  If so, you
can
> sort (procmail is fine) based on that field.  If not, then you'll have to
> sort (again, procmail would work) based on either the list-identifier in
> the "Subject:" field or the "To:" and/or "Cc:" field (which is almost
> always equal to the list-name and address).

I'm trying to get in touch with Demon to see if they can temporarily change
their configs for our mailbox, so that the envelope-to header is not
stripped.  Getting through on their helpdesk number is like getting the
proverbial from a rocking horse :|

> For the latter of these two sort options, you'd have to maintain your own
> local list of who subscribes to what list, and use it to update your
> procmail filters.

Nah, nah, nah... not something I want to get into...

> The demon ability to send your mail via smtp is the best of the options,
if
> it'd work for you.

I'm trying.. honestly ;)

> Retrieving mail for multiple mailboxes from one "pop box" is fraught with
> difficulties.  You've found one of them.

Heheh.. tell me about it...

> I hope I've been at least a bit of help.

Indeed you have, thanks ever so much...be rest assured I'll be back..LOL

--
Jason Aspinall
Lion Laboratories Limited, Barry, UK, CF63 2BE
Tel +44(0)1446 744244 Fax +44(0)1446 720937
An almost satisfied Cobalt Qube2 Administrator http://www.cobalt.com