RE: [cobalt-users] Wacky Wednesday turns Insane Wednesday

["Dan Kriwitsky" <list1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> 
> 	So let's just ban sales ads, beta test calls and 
> virtually everything else.

The FAQ already prohibits advertising. If you think what he posted was
an ad, it shouldn't have been posted.

> If I actually could apply a mail 
> filter with all the bits of the Meta-FAQ killing messages 
> before I saw them, I'd wonder if this List was even working.  
> I might see 2-3 posts a month.

I see very few posts that I would say fall under the part of the FAQ
that says they shouldn't be posted.

> 
> 	Hmmm, let's think on this one... So he uses an albeit 
> ingenious but not totally ethical marketing ploy to 
> (essentially) provide some final beta test copies for free to 
> the List vs. the General Public.

Hmmm, I don't think I saw anything that says beta. He said the first 5
were free, then he was selling them. If they were beta, I don't think
he'd, (I hope he wouldn't), be selling them.

>  Therefore - he's toast.  Somehow I'm 
> missing the point of complaining about it on the List vs. 
> sending him a note directly...

Pot, kettle, black. You could have done the same.
 
> 	AND NOW:  I'd like to file a formal complaint about
> the complainers.

Start by looking in the mirror.

> Someone starts threads of this nature and 
> they turn into week-long whining battles that take up more 
> bandwidth than someone being smart enough to simply send a 
> note to the Author and let them know how you feel.

And you didn't do that, because??

> Then 
> there's the return banter (like this drivel I'm writing), 
> which sucks up more resources.

At least you recognize the quality of your writing. ;)
 
> 	So, how about we ban anything even closely resembling
> Spam, Commercial Advertising,

Those are banned. Although I'm not sure about the "closely resembling"
part. I would say his original posts were ads. If he sent them all
directly to each member of the list instead of posting to the list I'm
sure you would consider it spam.

> Alpha and Beta Test Calls,
> New Product Releases, update patches to Commercial Software
> and any other posts where someone just likes to piss and
> moan about these types of posts - wrong or right.

I don't see any complaints about such posts. Only ones offering products
for sale, as this did. Maybe I missed them. If you have an example of
someone "announcing" a cobalt specific product, not selling a product,
via this list, please post the archive URL.

>  Should
> cut traffic down about 95%?  Then 1-3 people will be 
> happy and the rest will be miserable.

I'd say 95% of the posts are bugs and help requests/answers. Maybe you
have your filters backwards and are filtering on the word "help" or
"broken" or something else.

 
> But useless traffic like
> this makes me want to wander off into the completely 
> unsupported land of Ensim and cry in my beer.

Then stop.

> 
> (Wait, kill this, it's Commercial)

It's also among the biggest sigs I've ever seen. 4 lines is the
standard.

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C2003 Dan Kriwitsky

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