Re: [cobalt-users] commercial list use (Re: [RaQ3] Need PHPpackagefor original RaQ3...)

[Jeff Lasman <jblists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"E.B. Dreger" wrote:

> Context is available, which also indicates I made a mistake:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/isp-webhosting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg00145.html
> 
> It was on isp-webhosting, not this list.

Thanks for the clarification, Eddy.  I tried to find it on the cobalt
lists and couldn't.

Note that in that post I was giving free advice based on what I learned
from my clients, I was NOT soliciting any business at all.  I was merely
pointing out to the poster that based on his representation, my response
would fit his needs.

He was asking for advice as to how many domains he could host on a T-1. 
I responded.

> Indeed.  And others will see the post in the archive.  If
> everyone capable of offering something posts on-list, the lists
> get overrun with noise.

Then is the main difference of opinion between us on this post that I
feel it's important information that while there isn't an official
package or a free package available there is a commercial package, and
that you feel that information shouldn't be available in the archives?

If so, then I respect our difference of opinion.

> I'd not go so far as to say "clearly fall within".  In fact, no
> free help was given, the message was entirely commercial, and
> details were being given on-list.

In fact I spent about twenty minutes searching, to make sure there was
neither an offical package (which I might have missed) nor any other
free package from any other source before responding with my solution.

> A network that depends on proper client config is dangerous.  The
> 7007 fiasco and 6461 STP incident demonstrate this painfully
> well.

We maintain network configuration for all the clients on our network. 
The network itself has never gone down (though we only guarantee 99.999%
uptime).  We more than adhere to what seems to be the industry standard.

And we're willing to move on to better standards.  I'm glad for the
discussions we've had offlist and by telephone, and I'm glad I learned
your point of view.  It's perhaps unfortunate that it's taken me longer
to switch to a private network model, but in the meantime we've had NO
fiascos, or even incidents.

> Maybe it was another list.  I didn't keep track of it, and
> frankly am not too concerned about it.  We've exchanged both kind
> words and scoldings both on- and off-list.

I don't think I've ever said anything other than "we don't always agree"
either on or offlist; you know the mutual client we have; you're welcome
to ask him what I've said about you.

> If Jeff disagrees with me, he's more than welcome to return the
> favor and tell me off.

I don't have anything to tell you off about, except perhaps that you
were so quick to defame my network.  And the state of my network is
after all, completely different from your opinion of it.

Jeff
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