RE: [cobalt-users] commercial list use (Re: [RaQ3] Need PHPpackage for original RaQ3...)

["E.B. Dreger" <eddy+public+spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

DK> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:49:27 -0500
DK> From: Dan Kriwitsky


DK> > * In mid-October, he made a similar such post:
DK> >
DK> > 	"Most of my clients are small hosting companies, and
DK> > 	frankly you fit right in."
DK>
DK> I'm sure that wasn't the entire content of his post, or the
DK> thread. One sentence in a thread or post out of context is
DK> meaningless.

Context is available, which also indicates I made a mistake:

http://www.mail-archive.com/isp-webhosting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg00145.html

It was on isp-webhosting, not this list.


DK> >   I'm sure others contacted the OP off-list if they had any
DK> >   pitches to deliver.
DK>
DK> Now you're psychic?

Or have been around long enough and made enough posts to know
what happens.  Note the ***if they had any pitches*** part.
Considering the lack of public response from others, the logical
conclusion is that any other contact was made off-list.  Thanks
for playing.


DK> If they contribute as much to the list in answers, I'd have no problem
DK> with the occasional pitch *in reply* to a request on the list. Unlike
DK> the pure spam "*FREE* SECURITY PKG" post. I'm sure the person making the

Yes, I also agree that post was _much_ worse than anything Jeff
has ever posted.  That person was pointed out, and discussed
adequately.


DK> post Jeff replied to wasn't the only RaQ3 user that might at some point
DK> be looking for a PHP/MySQL package that's only available for $$.

Indeed.  And others will see the post in the archive.  If
everyone capable of offering something posts on-list, the lists
get overrun with noise.


DK> > * There are others who can deliver better who do not make such
DK> >   claims on-list.  I don't know how many are on this list...
DK>
DK> 99.9% of the world doesn't make such claims on-list since
DK> they're not on this list. Your statement makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense.  There are others who do not constantly
wave their banner on-list.  I know and know of several.


DK> >   perhaps the lack of posts means there are none.  Or perhaps it
DK> >   means that others follow a different standard of netiquette.
DK>
DK> I think Jeff's reply followed "the" standard of netiquette as
DK> the only resource for what the poster was seeking is a paid
DK> program/service.

No it isn't.  One could DIY.  Might not be the "original package"
that was requested, but neither is the commercial one.  Stating
availability would have been fine.  Giving details that could be
discussed off-list is pushing it.


DK> The list admin has posted on this subject and Jeff's replies
DK> clearly fall within his standards. The META FAQ was never
DK> updated to reflect those clarifications.

DK> http://list.cobalt.com/pipermail/cobalt-users/2002-June/071664.html

I'd not go so far as to say "clearly fall within".  In fact, no
free help was given, the message was entirely commercial, and
details were being given on-list.


DK> > I also clarified that I wish Jeff no ill will, and am not
DK> > singling him out more than others.
DK>
DK> Yes you are. You are only singling him out.

No, I am not.  If someone else claims to offer colo, yet the
network can be taken down by an errant/malicious configuration,
I'll point that out, too.  I'll point out when someone is at a
facility that has not done their infrastructure homework.  I've
done so in the past, and probably will do so again.

A network that depends on proper client config is dangerous.  The
7007 fiasco and 6461 STP incident demonstrate this painfully
well.


DK> I've never seen him critcize you on the list.

Maybe it was another list.  I didn't keep track of it, and
frankly am not too concerned about it.  We've exchanged both kind
words and scoldings both on- and off-list.

If Jeff disagrees with me, he's more than welcome to return the
favor and tell me off.


Eddy
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