RE: [cobalt-users] commercial list use (Re: [RaQ3] Need PHPpackage for original RaQ3...)

["Dan Kriwitsky" <list1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> The connection is:
> 
> * Some feel Jeff was a bit too commercial in his post

Very few, from what I see since his post was in reply to a request. Not
a blatant ad as I have seen recently for others offering stuff.

> 
> * In mid-October, he made a similar such post:
> 
> 	"Most of my clients are small hosting companies, and
> 	frankly you fit right in."

I'm sure that wasn't the entire content of his post, or the thread. One
sentence in a thread or post out of context is meaningless.

> 
>   I'm sure others contacted the OP off-list if they had any
>   pitches to deliver.

Now you're psychic?

>  Making such statements on-list encourages
>   everyone to jump in and state their offerings to the same
>   audience Jeff has/had.

If they contribute as much to the list in answers, I'd have no problem
with the occasional pitch *in reply* to a request on the list. Unlike
the pure spam "*FREE* SECURITY PKG" post. I'm sure the person making the
post Jeff replied to wasn't the only RaQ3 user that might at some point
be looking for a PHP/MySQL package that's only available for $$.

> 
> * There are others who can deliver better who do not make such
>   claims on-list.  I don't know how many are on this list...

99.9% of the world doesn't make such claims on-list since they're not on
this list. Your statement makes no sense.

>   perhaps the lack of posts means there are none.  Or perhaps it
>   means that others follow a different standard of netiquette.

I think Jeff's reply followed "the" standard of netiquette as the only
resource for what the poster was seeking is a paid program/service.

> 
> 
> DK> web servers that can claim 100% security.)
> 
> There is none.
> 
> However, continuing to solicit customers with the knowledge 
> of a flaw is questionable.  Doing it on-list despite the AUP 
> is downright yucky.

The list admin has posted on this subject and Jeff's replies clearly
fall within his standards. The META FAQ was never updated to reflect
those clarifications.
http://list.cobalt.com/pipermail/cobalt-users/2002-June/071664.html

> 
> I also clarified that I wish Jeff no ill will, and am not 
> singling him out more than others.

Yes you are. You are only singling him out.

>  I've enjoyed talking to 
> him on the phone.  I've scolded him for posts before, and 
> he's scolded me.  Life goes on.
> 

I've never seen him critcize you on the list.
-- 
Dan Kriwitsky

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