Re: **SPAM** Re: [cobalt-users] XBL listing (was: New FormMail script)

[David Thurman <dthurman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

on 5-2-02 8:06 AM, Surfbaud at error404@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx was reported to have
made a statement that said this:

> At 07:23 02/05/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> 
>> Jeff and the over-extreme,
>> I would have to agree Jeff. Seems a little extreme. We received an email
>> from someone claiming one of my clients had spammed them. He stated he was
>> going to turn us in to a blacklist. I noticed the trace he did, which he
>> sent and the headers went to some place in California, it wasn't even close
>> to being us or one of my clients. I had to exchange 5 emails to get him to
>> realize he was blaming the wrong people. I guess my point is, some of these
>> list, and accusers are very shoot first and maybe ask questions later. If I
>> had not responded to this other guy, or been out and my staff didn't know
>> how or have auth. To handle, I may have been on a list, and I wasn't even
>> the culprit.
> 
> absolute rubbish, the people who administer these blocklists are
> *extremely* responsible and competent sysadmins, to even suggest that they
> would add you to a blocklist just because some luser asked them to is
> ridiculous.....

Well that may be, but I do know of an ISP in town that killed a client I had
as a web dev, not hosting that sent some unsolicited mail. They took ONE
complainer and blocked him, then proceeded to say they would block me just
because I did the site. So maybe the blacklist maintainers are responsible,
not everyone is. 
> 
> besides which, there are sufficient channels for communication of these
> issues, if people choose not to use them that is their problem...
> 
> FWIW in 3 years of subscribing to said channels, despite an average of
> mebbe 10 complaints a day, often associated with cartooney legal threats, I
> honestly cannot recall a single incident where the listing was unjust... I
> repeat, ***NOBODY*** gets added to a list just because some luser complains
> 
> SPEWS is slightly different, it will list the ISP IP block if they do not
> kick the spammers, and if that doesn't work then eventually the block is
> expanded to include said ISP upstream, ***AFTER*** the upstream has had a
> chance to deal with the matter... and getting out of SPEWS is simple, stop
> spamming.... never getting in SPEWS is even easier, don't spam in the first
> place.
> 
> Only spammers and those who take their money in exchange for "bulletproof
> hosting" get listed.
> 

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Thank you,
David E Thurman
The Web Presence Group
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dthurman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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