Re: [cobalt-users] Pop before SMTP - I've had enough. REVIEW

[Revd leonard payne <vicarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Today, Monday is a public holiday here in the UK so I thought that after all
my Easter/Passover/whatever-holiday-turns-you-on activities, I would review
all the responses to my original "Ive had enough email"

Forgive the length, but as a non-Linux person, (I bought a
blue-washing-machine), I want to say how it looks from an outsider.

Firstly, I commented


> 
> Today I got a report from outside, that their Box reported that they couldnt
> send me my regular mailing because they got
> 
> Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 <leonard.payne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>... Relaying
> denied.  Please check your mail first.
> 
> Thats like the cobalt-users list being told by my machine to check their
> mail first.
> 
> Any ideas ??


Dan Kriwitsky gets a honourable mention for querying very fast (17 minutes
after my post) my "chooing" of the RAQ, (aided and abetted by Thom and later
Gerald) Which set the tone for the rest of the day and had me spluttering
food from my nostrils.  (Not good PR for an Episcopalian priest!!)

Thank you Benedict for consistently being clear sighted on the problem and
helping everyone to focus when they get lost. (As we all do). However it
does not make sense to

>"by putting the right list of hosts/domains
>and alias-hosts/domains in the email- and site-Parameters of the RaQ."

As you point out later, my box should accept mail for any, rpt any user
resident on the box..

There followed lots of comments from various people about which Email client
to use and what settings. Irrelevant. Focus again. The problem is the box
rejected a good message sent to me. (Interestingly enough -  It accepted a
message from the same source addressed to me a few hours later.. no changes
in config)

Steven Depuydt ....   please learn not to top post. I'm not usually a
stickler but it can be annoying -  Thanks and Blessings

Gerald Waugh again ..  No it's NOT about relaying. I understand your use of
English in that If I send a private message to you, then I am, in English
Language "relaying" but in terms of how relaying is used on these boxes, it
means *receiving via SMTP and sending it out again to another host via
SMTP*. Or at least that is my understanding of it.

Sorry Gerald again ..  you wrote
> It means that the users ip is not in /etc/mail/popip.db

It does not need to be. You (Gerald) can send a message to
leonard.payne@xxxxxxxxxxxx  without yourself being a user on mydomain.tld.
If it is rejected by mydomain.tld saying "You need to check your mail first"
then we have a serious problem.

gsh - wonderful explanation but totally lost the plot

> Yes, there is,[relaying] you don't seem to understand the boundries of MTA ,
> transport occurs from the interface of the machine to the internal
> MailDeliveryAgent, it *is* relaying. It's connecting 2 transport
> points. The fact they are both physically in the same box means nothing.

Is that so??   Well think on this. I thought of a message. I relayed it to
my fingers which relayed it to the keyboard which relayed it to the
Operating System which relayed it to the Application program which relayed
it to TCP/IP which relayed it to PPP which relayed it accross the wires to
my ISP which Relayed it to your ISP which responded ... "Excessive
recursion"

Transmission of text from the MTA to the MailDeliveryAgent is never deemed
"relay" even in the over complex X.400 model. It is purely transfer.

Brent Sims - Came up with a good one

>Mailman allows any user to change the hostname from which the
>messages appear have been sent. If a user whose site is hosted
>elsewhere does this, changing the hostname to their domain name
>which resolves to another IP address, the outgoing messages will use
>their domain name as the hostname but will have been sent from an IP
>address that resolves to one of our domains and that produces a
>relaying denyed message from many well configured mail servers.

This could be the cause of this particular problem althigh I didnt know my
Raq was a well configured mail server. Wow - I'm impressed with the
blueness.;-)  Thanks though. Blessings.

Lastly My later item about not being able to send a message to
sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx .   I don't know --- just ignore it.. Sometimes I
wonder whether I spend too much time on these little problems. Bygones!

Finally - And im sorry this took so long.
Lets remember that these problems only occurred after OS2. And no responses
yet from Cobalt/Sun.

Blessings to you all for your patience, good humour.
I have now removed all my email functions from the box to elsewhere.

All we have now is a web server.

Ta Da

Revd Leonard
-- 
Revd Leonard Payne

"Microsoft is not the answer, Microsoft is the question. NO is the
answer." --Unknown