Re: [cobalt-users] commercial list use (Re: [RaQ3] Need PHP packagefor original RaQ3...)

[Jeff Lasman <jblists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"E.B. Dreger" wrote:

> After sending this, I thought of something to clarify:
> 
> * Many networks have the same problems.  Many others who offer
>   so-called "colo" are guilty of the same flaws.  Still other
>   people are at facilities that suffer from the same.  This is
>   bad enough.

I think "many" is an understatement; I urge you to check with some of
the larger colocation companies today.  And there are definitely
tradeoffs, since networks waste (perhaps use is a less inflamatory term)
three IP#s, making small networks quite inefficient of IP space, which
is becoming more at a premium.  Nevertheless we are changing our model,
at least partially because of the helpful telephone conversations you
and I have had in the past.

> * What really burns me is when one sells something despite known
>   defects.

"Defect" is another inflamatory word, at least in my opinion.  We've
never had a problem from our model; thousands upon thousands of systems
are hosted with the same model we use, and our model (indeed our
network) has never been unstable.

> * Add to that blatant promotion that flies in the face of the
>   list AUP, and I've reached my limit.  List monitors need to
>   follow list rules, too.

As I've mentioned in another post, I'm operating fully in accord with
the last set of rules posted to the list.

> I'm picking on you primarily because of the last reason, and how
> it amplifies and exacerbates the previous ones.  I wish you no
> ill will, and don't want to turn this into a bashing session, but
> how about "keeping it real" and also playing by the same rules
> that others observe and respect?

I play by the rules set up by the last list-owner.  The new list-owner
may certainly decide to change the rules; if so I'll abide by the new
rules.  I don't think any one of us (other than the list owner) has the
right to change the rules.

Jeff
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