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Re: [cobalt-users] Webalizer with FrontPage - Need a package

I dont think htaccess file is the problem

The problem is the owner/chmod of the file (usage_200012.html)

it is owned by (nobody) but NOT chmod'd correctly to allow Frontpage to access the file. I have
found only one fix, chmod the whole folder 777

I also put this in the weblizer.pl file, but it doesnt affect these usage_200012.html files.

Mine looks like this

>        mkdir $thepath, 777;
>        chown 0, $gid, $thepath;
>        chmod 0777, $thepath;

I noticed that when webalizer spits out the end of month file that even if the file is owned by
nobody, frontpage doesnt like it

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The other day, i finally gave up and changed the owner to httpd, i tested it right after running the
stats again, with no problem. I am hoping this will fix it once and for all.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Carrie Bartkowiak" <ravencarrie@xxxxxxxx>
To: <cobalt-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [cobalt-users] Webalizer with FrontPage - Need a package


> Warning: This is going to be long. Listings and files attached. Delete now
> if you're not interested.
>
> I simply don't see what the problem is with Webalizer and FrontPage.
> This customer is going to be leaving soon, so I don't have any real problems
> with using his site as an example:
> http://www.shema-israel.com/webstats
> Yes, this site is maintained with FrontPage.
>
> As you can see, even after migrating the sites last month and carrying over
> the old stats, everything works fine. Every night, every month.
>
> Here's a listing of his /webstats directory:
> [admin admin]$ cd /home/sites/www.shema-israel.com/web/webstats
> [admin webstats]$ ls -la
> total 507
> drwxr-xr-x   2 nobody   site15       1024 Feb  2 04:13 .
> drwxrwsr-x  17 nobody   site15       2048 Jan 19 08:38 ..
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      17593 Feb  6 04:13 ctry_usage_200012.gif
> -rw-r--r--   1 nobody   site15      19032 Feb  6 04:13 ctry_usage_200101.gif
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      16241 Feb  6 04:13 ctry_usage_200102.gif
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      33279 Feb  6 04:13
> daily_usage_200012.gif
> -rw-r--r--   1 nobody   site15      32879 Feb  6 04:13
> daily_usage_200101.gif
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      23888 Feb  6 04:13
> daily_usage_200102.gif
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      26973 Feb  6 04:13
> hourly_usage_200012.gif
> -rw-r--r--   1 nobody   site15      24267 Feb  6 04:13
> hourly_usage_200101.gif
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      18515 Feb  6 04:13
> hourly_usage_200102.gif
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15       4865 Feb  6 04:13 index.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      19377 Feb  6 04:13 usage.gif
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15     101410 Feb  6 04:13 usage_200012.html
> -rw-r--r--   1 nobody   site15      99330 Feb  6 04:13 usage_200101.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15      55878 Feb  6 04:13 usage_200102.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   site15        106 Feb  6 04:13 webalizer.hist
>
> Everything is owned by nobody. The webstats folder itself is owned by
> nobody. There is no .htaccess file; there's never been one.
> Hence there's no problem with an .htaccess file.
>
> Here's my webalizer.pl file: note the entire section about the .htaccess has
> been commented out so that it doesn't put in that stupid file that causes so
> many problems; I also have changed the directory from /stats to /webstats
> just so people who know we use Webalizer can't go merrily browsing through
> the /stats folder to see what's there:
>
> # Where sites on a RaQ3 live
> $prefix = "/home/sites";
> # Status messages
> my $messages;
>
> chdir "$prefix" or die "Can't cd to $prefix??: $!\n";
> opendir THEROOT, $prefix or die "Couldn't open $prefix?: $!\n";
> @allsites = grep !/^\.\.?$/,  readdir THEROOT;
>
> foreach $asite (@allsites)
> {
>   if (-l "$asite")
>   {
>     $webpath = "$prefix/$asite/web";
>     $thepath = "$prefix/$asite/web/webstats";
>
>     # Get the group id of the directory
>     my $gid = (stat $webpath)[5];
>     my $name = (getgrgid $gid)[0];
>
>     # Create a directory /web/stats if it isn't there yet
>     if (!-d $thepath)
>     {
>        mkdir $thepath, 775;
>        chown 0, $gid, $thepath;
>        chmod 0755, $thepath;
>     }
>
> # Create a .htaccess if it isn't there yet
> #
> #    if (!-e '$thepath/.htaccess')
> #    {
> #       my $string = "#Access file\norder allow,deny\nallow from all\nrequire group
$name\nAuthname WebStats\nAuthtype Basic";
> #       open HTACCESS, qq(>$thepath/.htaccess);
> #       print HTACCESS $string;
> #       close HTACCESS;
> #       chmod 0744, qq($thepath/.htaccess);
> #    }
> #
>     # Now just run webalizer
>     $messages .=
>        `webalizer -n $asite -s $asite -r $asite -q -T -o $thepath $prefix/$asite/logs/web.log`;
>     # Now change ownership of stats files for siteadmin
>     $messages .= `chown -R nobody:$name $thepath`;
>   }
> }
>
>
> All I have done is:
> 1. Change the stats directory to /webstats - no need for that, just my own reasoning.
> 2. Comment out the .htaccess section - if it's going to cause problems, don't have the damn thing
> 3. Change the ownership of the stats file to 'nobody' so that they don't cause p
> roblems with FP.
>
> I've been really hesitant to put in plain english that my clients' stats are
> in /webstats, simply because I named the folder that for the express purpose
> of people not knowing where to go looking. But I've seen so many complaints
> on this entire Webalizer/Frontpage mess that I can't stand it anymore, and
> so I'm putting up that info so that you guys can see for yourselves that
> what I've been telling you *works*. Real-world examples.
>
> As for password-protecting the stats directory, all I can say is... why?  If
> no one knows where the damn directory is, how are they going to find it? The
> only way they're going to know where the directory is, is if the webmaster
> puts a link to the thing and advertises it. And if he advertises it, then he
> must want people to go look at his stats!
>
> People, this is not some mysterious magical 'act of god' that happens every
> morning at 4am and every month. It's a simple CGI file. That's it. If you're
> having problems, CHANGE THE FILE.
>
>
> I may not have a Linux background, but I am learning. For the things that I
> don't have time to learn or that I must do *now* before learning, I hire
> someone to do it for me. There are plenty of people on this list that will
> do these necessary changes for you for a small fee if you can't do them
> yourself for whatever reason.
>
> However, I do have a very *strong* webmastering background. So when
> something's not going right in the sites on my server and it has to do with
> something web-related (like CGI files or PHP files or even FrontPage and
> other WYSIWYG pieces of crap as opposed to the innerworkings of
> Linux/Apache), then I can fix it. Or I can at least try.
>
> I can understand how the Linux gurus on the list get so aggravated with the
> newbies like me who don't yet grasp the intricacies of a world outside of
> Windows. (<g>)
> But what I cannot understand is why people think that they can just plug in
> a server and suddenly become a webhost when they know *nothing* about how to
> maintain a website. How can you help your clients with CGI if you don't know
> anything about it?  How can you administer MySQL databases if you don't know
> the first thing about them? How can you tell your customers how to drop an
> .htaccess file into their directory if you've never done it and don't know
> how it works? How can you help a customer with FrontPage if you've never
> touched the program and don't know how it works?
>
> You would not buy a strip mall and lease out space to stores if you didn't
> know how to adjust the heat, flip the power breakers on/off, repair simple
> things like broken door hinges. If you hired someone to come do those little
> things for you each time you needed the heat adjusted, you'd be bankrupt
> before 3 months was out. Sure, hire someone to fix the ductwork or wire up a
> security system - but to flip the light switch on?
>
> In the same vein,  you can't just toss open a server and take people's money
> for hosting their web sites - very likely a source of income for them and if
> not, then a very dear personal possession - without knowing what goes into
> making and maintaining a website. You are *taking their money* and saying
> that YOU - yes, little old you - have enough knowledge about building,
> expanding, and maintaining a website that you can confidently give them a
> home for theirs.
>
> I don't have any experience yet with ASP. So you know what? I don't offer it
> to my clients.
> Yeah, it's on my RaQ4r - whoopee. That doesn't give me carte blanche to lie
> to my customers and tell them that I have the knowledge and ability to
> support their ASP web site when I don't know a damn thing about it.  How
> many of you RaQ4 owners out there are offering up the Chilisoft ASP to your
> customers, and figuring you'll wait until someone actually needs to use it
> before you learn anything about it?
>
> Okay, so now - how many of you RaQ owners are putting server-wide CGI files
> like Webalizer onto your machine - things that will affect each and every
> site on your server, especially FrontPage sites if you don't make changes to
> the webalizer configurations - and you don't know the first thing about
> CGI?!?!?
>
> Something to think about.
>
> I'm just pissed because for so many years, as a client, I was a victim of so
> many people who didn't have the slightest CLUE about running a website, yet
> they were more than happy to take my money and have my sites on their
> servers.
> And here on this list, I see so many of those people all over again...
> get-rich-quickers who's ONLY reason for being a webhost is because someone
> told them they can make a lot of money doing it...
> Why don't we start a rumor that you can open up shop as a doctor and make
> lots of money - no knowledge required?
>
> Feel free to blast me for my lack of server administration knowledge - I
> readily admit when I don't know something or when I'm wrong. There's no 'pot
> calling the kettle black' here. But this whole thing with people taking
> someone else's money for web site hosting and they can't even fix a CGI file
> or don't know what an .htaccess file is, or who've never written ten lines
> of raw HTML... it just boggles my mind.
> <end rant>
>
>
> Carrie Bartkowiak - who ain't in it for the money (said in her 'born-n-bred
> in Maryland' accent)
>
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