Re: [cobalt-users] How upgrading to apache-1.3.14 on Cobalt Raq3?

[Doug Fuerst <djfirst@xxxxxx>]

I'd just like to offer my $0.02 here.
I don't know much about Linux and Apache. I didn't know much about IBM's 
MVS in 1980 either. Now at least, I can do a few things with MVS, but I 
can't tell you the number of times I broke a perfectly good system to 
either put maintenance on or move to a new version. And when the initial 
production IPL took place I still held my breath. Hell, even today I still 
hold my breath. There are plenty of people on the IBM Main Listserv (for 
MVS Sysprogs) who have never loaded a new coffee maker much less a major 
operating system. But we help them anyway, and never discourage them. Oh we 
tell 'em you better be able to restore the system to where you began (isn't 
that what the magic Cobalt restore disk is for?, although you might lose a 
lot more other stuff). Everyone learns differently, but doing is still the 
best way to learn anything. Gurus' do not become gurus by not doing 
something because its hard or complex. If I had listened to the moron back 
in 1980 who thought I was too stupid to become an MVS system programmer, I 
would be sweeping floors by now, or fixing copiers and printers. And 
sometimes its hard to keep people from their folly. If you want to do it, 
then here is the way to do it, but be prepared to lose everything on the 
server. In the mainframe world, we tell them to do it on a test system 
first (hope this guy has a test Qube.) That's pretty much SOP for every 
shop. But we all, even those of us with less experience or none, finally 
upgrade or put maintenance on the system. And we learn.
So, I think this guy should absolutely recompile his kernel, and go for it. 
I also recommend he not be allowed near any critical or production server 
to do it. Get a test system and do it there. How's THAT for a compromise????:-)

Doug




> > > Snip>>>>>>

> > > You're kidding right..? You don't know how to setup SSL services 
> > > on >>your RaQ3 and yet you're talking about wanting to recompile and 
> > > upgrade the Apache kernel on the system...
>
> Believe me! I'm not trying to "humor" (or insult) him; I'm a realist  - 
> just as I was when I helped point you to the mySQL packages you installed 
> on your box.  How closely do you follow this <or the developer?s> list..? 
> If he even *thinks* he'll be able to recompile his RaQ3 successfully, the 
> best to him!!  I've followed and participated <and observed> this board 
> <and developers list> for over a year now, and to my knowledge, even the 
> slickest of Cobalt guru?s haven't succeeded in recompiling their RaQ3 <at 
> least not without MAJOR headaches ­ again to my knowledge> - It?ll break 
> everything on the box!!  And for god's sake, he's asking how to setup SSL 
> - it's a button and a text field in the siteadmin GUI -- please!! Trust me 
> - don't try and recompile your RaQ3, you'll find yourself on the floor in 
> tears..!!  Let?s not lead people that need or request our help down a path 
> of destruction under false pretenses?
>
> Now? The poster just stated he needed to upgrade <recompile> Apache to the 
> latest version, but he didn?t state for what reason. I?m betting it might 
> be so he can run PHP4 <maybe not>, as it requires Apache to be compiled 
> with 1.3.12+ <Cobalt?s come installed with 1.3.6>.  ­-BUT? HE DOESN?T NEED 
> TO RECOILE APACHE to get PHP4 to work.. The list has good instructions on 
> how to install PHP4 if one searches the archives.. <again if that?s what 
> he wanted the recompile for>.
>
>
> Good Luck to ya!
> Craig Napier
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Doug Fuerst
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