Re: [cobalt-users] Get me off the ORBS list

[Rik Thomas <rikt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Comments inline:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Carrie Linn Bartkowiak wrote:

> 
> > Great, now ORBS is searching for "potential" spamming servers now and not
> just tagging ones known for spamming.
> 

Someone has to nominate you for testing.  They don't actively search
blocks of addresses.

> That was my first thought, too!
> How wonderful it is for ORBS to be putting out a list of machines which
> aren't entirely protected... gee, the spammers probably pay good money to
> get a hold of that list, since they don't have to do the work themselves!
> 
Their motivation, imho miguided, is to *motivate* you to close your open
relay.

> Okay, so how can we avoid this?  I, too, don't allow anyone to relay mail
> through the server *except* for myself in *rare* cases - I require my
> clients to use their home ISP and I also use my home ISP; what's good for
> the goose is good for the gander.
> However, sendmail can of course send stuff out that originates from the
> sites on the server.
>
> So would a good preventative measure to this be to enable the smart relay?
> Is there a way to keep Sendmail closed to *all* outside mail and just
> deliver what comes off of the sites?

Yes it is simple, it is called pop before relay.  You can also visit
http://www.sendmail.org, you can visit http://mail.abuse.net and educate
yourself about these folks that have led them to this point.

> 
> >Somebody has got to get rid of this ORBS crap,
> 
> JC I agree there... when it was just proven spammers it was a different
> story, but now that they're blacklisting INNOCENT servers as well it's just
> plain wrong. Millions of people in different races and religions have died
> because of this exact sort of bull$hit.  Just because I have the capability
> to send mail doesn't mean I'm going to allow spammers to use my server and
> won't take every legal action should I find one doing just that.
> 

Wow, that is scary you making that comparison.  I think simply you don't
understand the problem of relaying.  This is classic example of
both sides not understanding the other.  Don't take this wrong but you
truly have no clue as to how bad relaying is.  You both need to spend some
time understanding how bad your relay is and what effect it has on the
Internet community.  These rogue groups are gaining more power and more
respect as relay raping gains in popularity, your upstream or colo
provider could even be blackholed.  Now that is serious.

> Carrie Bartkowiak
> 
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