RE: [cobalt-users] OT : Webhosting Coalition

["Dan Kriwitsky" <list1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> > http://spews.org/ Filter your mail through the SPEWS level 
> 1 list and 
> > ISPs quickly get the message.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, SPEWS.org is a poor implementation of a very 
> good idea.

It blocks tons of spam on my server.

> The SPEWS database is riddled with Errors and they 
> tend to list/block IP addresses on too large of a scale to be 
> of any real value. 

ISP's quickly find they can't shuffle spammers around and their /24 or
larger will be blocked if they harbor spammers.

> SPEWS has NO method of responding to 
> legitimate complaints regarding the Errors within their block 
> list.

They respond very quickly to posts in news.admin.net-abuse.email

>  Ever try to email or call SPEWS?

No, ever try to read the FAQ?

> 
> You end up blocking legitimate email by using SPEWS to filter 
> your email.

Every block points to a URL of mine with a contact form. I have never
had a single contact about a false positive.

> 
> Case in Point, I operate a small dedicated server company, 
> and have slightly less then 200 Cobalt Raq servers. We 
> PROHIBIT UCE/SPAM of any sort and make this very clear to our 
> potential customers right up front. We have had ZERO 
> incidents of SPAM! We have several class C /24 IP ranges 
> which we were issued by our bandwidth provider 
> (Wholesalebandwidth.com).

Bingo. Wholesalebandwidth.com is a spamhaus. You may as well ask Pizza
Hut to deliver to a crack house.

> ALL of our IP addresses are 
> included in the SPEWS listings BECAUSE we purchase bandwidth 
> from Wholesalebandwidth.com

No, because your ISP harbors spammers.

> 
> Wholesalebandwidth sells bandwidth to many different 
> companies in several different Colo centers. 
> Wholesalebandwidth has had customers with SPAM problems in 
> the past and therefore were listed in SPEWS. EVERY IP address 
> of Wholesalebandwidth's was listed in SPEWS and not just the 
> Class C of the customer that was sending SPAM. It's kinda 
> like blocking phone calls from an entire area code just 
> because that "Sweeper salesman" keeps calling you from that 
> area code. What kind of logic is that?

Then complain to Wholesalebandwidth.com.

> 
> We have posted in the Anonymous Newsgroup which is 
> "supposedly" how a person is to communicate with SPEWS and we 
> have requested that our IP ranges be removed from their list. 

What anonymous newsgroup?

> Instead of finding any solution, we now get SPAM from SPEWS, 
> usually 1 liners like "Switch providers" or "Tough luck, if 
> you do business with criminals, you too are a criminal".

I bet you aren't getting a single email from SPEWS. You're getting email
from people fed up with spam from Wholesalebandwidth.com customers.

> 
> SPEWS.... Nice Idea, but a flawed implementation. I await the 
> day there is a real, professional SPAM blocking resource 
> available on the Internet!

Works great here.

-- 
C2002 Dan Kriwitsky

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