RE: [cobalt-users] commercial list use (Re: [RaQ3] Need PHP package for original RaQ3...)

["E.B. Dreger" <eddy+public+spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

DK> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:41:39 -0500
DK> From: Dan Kriwitsky


DK> > I'm sure there are other vendors who are offended when
DK> > someone advertises, yet they refrain.  Nobody likes getting
DK> > penalized for playing by the rules.
DK>
DK> I don't believe it is advertising to answer a post. If the
DK> PHP package that is the subject of this post were available
DK> for free, I'm sure there would be no need to offer a
DK> commercial solution.

A bit more was said than needed to answer the post.


DK> > I believe in giving free help both on- and/or off-list as
DK> > time permits.  When time runs short, let capitalism sort
DK> > out the rest.
DK>
DK> Maybe if you post your schedule, everyone can hold off
DK> answering questions until you're available.

Others have stated their list philosophy.  I stated mine.  This
has nothing to do with me particularly.


DK> > This is the first time in a few weeks that I've checked on
DK> > this list.
DK>
DK> Ooops, I guess not everyone can wait a few weeks for help.

Oops, I guess I never asked anyone to.


DK> > Last time I was reading, you mentioned that most
DK> > of your customers fit profile <x> and told someone "you fit
DK> > right in"... again doing a disservice to all but yourself.
DK>
DK> Good memory, for someone who only checks the list every three
DK> weeks.  That's a lot of posts to memorize.

You're intelligent enough to search the archives on your own.  Do
a bit of homework.  Perhaps some posts stick out more than
others?


DK> > I can't speak to what's in between, and frankly lack the time
DK> > and interest to check, but I get the same impression as Thom.
DK>
DK> Yeah, check the archives for his posts. Quite the double-
DK> standard he has for flaming. Seems he's the only one allowed
DK> to do it. I missed that in the FAQ.

So frequent help permits frequent advertising, and nobody else
should have a problem... thanks for clarifying.


DK> >  If it were once in a while, I could understand.  However, I
DK> > also have gotten a rather negative impression.
DK>
DK> You have some very selective reading filters turned on.

Nonsense.  I never claimed lack of non-salesish messages.
Everyone knows Jeff has provided an enormous amount of on-list
pro bono assistance.  However, many also seem to feel he's been
crossing the AUP line a bit too often.


DK> > Much of the time, people will indicate they are ready to
DK> > become paying clients.  In the cases where one feels
DK> > compelled to give a bid on something, at least keep it
DK> > off-list.  I do.  Others do. Please do the same.
DK>
DK> When someone asks about a PKG that is only available for $$
DK> what do you suggest? They be ignored? Jeff mentioned the
DK> package is available from him or the author. What more do you
DK> want?

Give the details off-list.  "Michael has developed ..., which is
available from him directly.  Others, including myself, also can
provide you with this; contact me off-list for details."  When a
post becomes too salesish, it incites


DK> > Quite frankly, I'm offended that you continue using the list
DK> > to solicit customers when your network has known
DK> > security/stability issues.  (Correct me if things have changed.)
DK> >
DK>
DK> I'm surprised you can continue posting this as I thought you
DK> were in jail. (Correct me if things have changed.)

Difference:  Your "claim" has no basis in fact.  Jeff has noted
publicly the problems to which I refer.  I also followed up
indicating that I wasn't singling him out for that, lest anyone
think he was a minority.  The problem needs to be fixed, but a
huge number of others are in the same situation.


DK> > Cool it.
DK>
DK> I see we have the new self-appointed list owner.

Oh, did I step on your toes?  No, you're more than welcome to
continue being official list cop.  Just be advised that others
will voice their opinions, too.


Eddy
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