Re: [cobalt-users] XBL listing (was: New FormMail script)

[Surfbaud <error404@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 22:20 30/04/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2002, Surfbaud wrote:
> >
> > If people refuse to move out of a crack ghetto then they had better get
> > used to being treated with suspicion.
>
> If you want to see the real world...

I have seen more of the real world than most, where do you think my 
attitudes come from?
Bleeding heart left wing liberals might give a rapist 5 years, ex-inmates 
would give him a no anaesthetic paraplegic kit.
My attitudes aren't tough because I was born with a silver spoon in my 
mouth and if I have several million I don't want the great unwashed and 
unemployed to get their hands on....  my attitudes are tough because I have 
made and lost "personal fortunes" three times so far in my life and I never 
found a need to shit on anyone else either on the way up or on the way down.

> I can introduce you to folks who for
> various reasons are stuck in a ghetto....I'm sure they would enagage you
> in an interesting dialectic if you told them they best get used to being
> treated with suspicion.

Shit happems, it's a fact of life, people still cannot reconcile my 
appearance and lifestyle with my "professional" persona (I long ago gave up 
making an effort) amongst other things I ride a motorcycle, not at weekends 
in the summer, but day in and day out, I got used to being seen as a robber 
/ rapist / drug dealer / ne'r do well by every policeman (or woman) who 
lays eyes on me 20 years ago...

>  If the attitude you expressed was a public
> pronouncement by a law enforcement official, there would be an interesting
> current of "comments" from folks in the ghetto...ESPECIALLY the ones who
> don't do or deal crack.

these would be the same ones who don't oust the crack dealers and stop 
their street from being a ghetto would it?


> But, I'm sure you were trying to make a point...and not too concerned
> about being accurate as you paint the world with a broad brush.

Sometimes you have to use a broad brush to make sure you cover a bad stain.

Upstreams / IP addresses / Colo racks aren't the same as housing, I cannot 
decide tomorrow to move to Texas, there is a whole herd of obstables, legal 
and financial, in the way, on the other hand I could move my entire hosting 
and colo operation there tomorrow with ease.

But guess what, I don't have to, because it is so easy to "be" anywhere I 
made sure I was going to a good "neighbourhood" before putting my stuff 
where it is now, an arduous task that took me all of fifteen minutes online 
and cost me absolutely NOTHING to do.

Basically there are three types of people in the networked world...

1/ Those who do not (yet) know about or use blacklists.
2/ Those who know about them, use them, and think they are the best thing 
since cisco
3/ Those who know about them and get blocked by them.

Now if you are in group three and you are a ralsky you can rot in your own 
spam ridden little intranet until ipv10 comes out, if you are not a spammer 
then move.... if you just claim not to be a spammer and start whining about 
"collateral damage" and refuse to move then you start to look more and more 
like a spammer as time passes, either way, nobody on our side of the 
blocklists gives a damn, because at the end of the day it isn't like moving 
house, you can move your operation in 24 hours.

The ONLY POSSIBLE reason for someone who isn't a spammer to stay in a 
spamhaus is because they can't be assed to move (there are no economic 
barriers, far from it, business is better out of a spamhaus) and if you are 
just too lazy then keep your whining to yourself, or tell someone who gives 
a damn.

If ***I*** can afford the time and effort to ensure that I am not in a 
spamhaus then any bugger can.

ALL of this assumes that me using these blacklists somehow "punishes" or 
otherwise hurts financially the person who is blacklisted... well the only 
person who popped back up on the radar on this list while my (local) 
perimeter was down yesterday was a supposed expert who apparently knows a 
lot more about system admin than me, yet who apparently didn't have a clue 
he was living in a spamhaus, and whose entire contribution to this list in 
so far as I can tell was to hawk his own professional services to other 
list members...

Seems to me the blacklists are doing *exactly* what I expect them to do.

These systems are MY property remember, that means I and I alone get to 
choose what data gets stored on them and who gets to connect to them. Do 
***not*** expect me to sit quietly while someone tries to insinuate that 
there is anything even the least bit nefarious about someone who reserves 
the right of access to their own systems to people who will act with 
decorum and respect for the rest of the network...

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 jb@xxxxxxxxxxxx / www.surfbaud.org / 2002
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