Re: [cobalt-users] Need advice on Colocating or Self Location

[Brent Sims <bs@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Jeff Lasman wrote:

} If that included the local loop please send me the Rep's name.  If it
} didn't, be aware that the local loop will bring it into the $1000/month
} area.

Hi Jeff,

	I am aware of the local loop aspect - there are 6 of them
attached to the building as I write this. I have, however, thought
about this a bit and we may very well be being offered lower prices
because we already have them and because we're completely satisfied
with our current providers. A wantabee provider is obviously not
going to get our business by offering us higher prices than we're
paying now and since we're happy I would think they'd be more
inclinded to offer some incentive for us to switch too or start
using them. That may be the difference as I reguarly pass on offers
for full T1s at well under $1,000.00 per month - including the local
loop. Our UUNet circuit only costs $645.00 per month.

} Are you really recommending a dialup backup for a hosting company?

	Yes, indeed I am. Not as a means of supporting the hosts
being hosted but as an emergency support circuit which will at least
allow the host to email their clients in order to keep them informed
of the situation.

} goes down, it automatically dials out through an external modem.
} Sweet.  The only problem is that 30% loss of packets meant the network
} was still down, though quite unusable.  So I had to pull the wire
} manually to get the automatic dialout to work <wry grin>.  But I add,
} this is for HOME use.  Not for hosting.

	Jeff, I hate seeing stuff like this. ATI, for example,
installed their first server in the owners spare bedroom. Avy
Freedman, the widely respected BGP guru whom I suspect you know,
started his ISP in his basement. So did many others.

	I also you know that you and I are about the same age and
that we started playing with this stuff at about the same time. Thus
I'm sure you remember the days when you didn't need passwords,
firewalls or the like - when the thrill was simply having someone
find your server - when everyone on what was to become the Internet
would help one another regardless of whom they were or how stupid
their ideas may have seemed at the time.

	Thinking like that is what brought us to this point.

	I think we've lost sight of what made all this possible and
that pains me terribly. This is the land of milk and honey. Each and
every day people all over the world all but sell their souls for a
chance to come here so they can chase their dreams. They tend to dig
in, doing what us that are fat and happy won't do, and they not only
often succeed, they often do so in high style. I'm sure there are
many on this list whose stories are similar to that I just wrote.

	Killing dreams is not something I am inclined to do.

	I did it - I created a successful facility based hosting
company starting with nothing and no money and I'm am an idiot -
if an idiot like me can do so can someone else.

	Peace be with you,

	Brent Sims
	WebOkay Internet Services, LLC
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