[cobalt-users] Re[2]: Re:ORBZ filtering on a RAQ?

[Charlie Summers <charlie@xxxxxxxxxx>]

At 9:24 AM -0500 2/11/02, List is rumored to have typed:

> i  would  like  to  say  that  orbz and others i think unfairly list a
> server   as  a spammer when in fact guys like me just can't figure out
> another  way  to  send  mail  from my own locals unless i allow those
> SPECIFIC  (and  only  those  specific ok? so get off my back ;-) local
> ip's to relay?  thus now i am a spammer?  whoopee.
<snip>
> ps so i'm stupid - educate me.

   Happy to do so. If you are only allowing "specific" local IPs to relay,
you will NOT be listed, at least in the ordb.org database with which I am
most familiar. The ordb.org machine specifically _tests_ relays; if I submit
your IP to the ordb.org machine, it will attempt using various well-known
exploits to send email through your machine to itself (actually a different
domain byt eh same machine). If and ONLY if that succeeds, and the machine
receives the mail it sent through your machine, will you be listed.

   And IF that machine can relay through yours, you do NOT have only
"specific" local IPs set up, but a massive misconfiguration that allows
pretty much anyone to relay through you. And if THAT's the case, I don't want
MY machine to talk to yours until you educate YOURSELF and fix your screwup.

   Look, all you have to do is a little research to learn how to configure
sendmail (ww.sendmail.org), how to set up POP before SMTP
(poprelay.sourceforge.net), and basically how to be a good net citizen. No
matter what Sun/Cobalt says, you NEED to learn how to be a systems
administrator if you want to run a RaQ/Qube. If you don't want to learn how
to secure your mail servers against the scum who attempt to steal your
resources, I don't want my machine talking to yours.

         Charlie Summers