Re: [cobalt-users] More Comments on the Lists [SCANNED]

[Jeff Lasman <blists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thursday 06 May 2004 11:26 am, Dave's List Addy wrote:

> JEFF!
>
> WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

I already explained that more than once; I'm facilitating.  I'm doing 
the hard work of getting it done.

> I think the community is really looking for Bruce to steer this
> movement. Why don't we stop with all the speeches, and directing of
> this event and follow the guidelines that Bruce has recommended or
> better yet put in effect?

In his most recent post to all the lists, Bruce wrote:

<snip>
I am very much in favor of the cobalt-* lists being migrated/continued. 
Ryan has "first mover" advantage I think, by setting up 
cobalt-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx and cobalt-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
</snip>

So Bruce's direction appears to be that he believes the lists should be 
migrated (I keep using the word "moved") to qbalt.com.

Bruce is, as I've said in the past, the list owner.  But he's looking 
for a new job now, and I'm doing the actual work of moving the list.

It's possible that if I drop out today the lists will still get moved.

Evidently a lot of people, based on lack of any positive reaction so 
far, are willing to see this list disappear.  I'm trying to make sure 
it stays running, with Bruce owning and managing it.

> His email I think was the most non-biased, non-motivated and quickest
> answer to the for coming dilemma we are all facing. Are you not
> reading his messages?

I'm not only reading his messages, I'm communicating with him by 
telephone and private email continually (except that he's not available 
today).

> Why are we on this immediate swing to relocate
> and start new lists, when for that matter Ryan already has in place 3
> lists awaiting community approval and use,

Either you're not reading my posts or I don't understand your point.  
There are NO NEW LISTS.  What I'm doing is working hard to migrate 
(okay, I'll use that word) the currently existing lists to a new 
server... and in fact that new server IS Ryan's server, and his domain 
name is qbalt.com.

> and instead follow his
> idea of all converging at cobaltfacts, which has been up for well
> over a year, online and with hardly any downtime, and get everyone
> talking there and not rush into anything this quick. I am starting to
> also question why you are so intent on this.

CobaltFacts _is_ an alternative list.  This _is_ cobalt-users.  
CobaltFacts actually has a more liberal policy of advertising on lists 
than does cobalt-users, and I've already said the cobalt-users policy 
won't be changed, at least not by me.

So the question is a fair one.

I'm so intent on moving this list because since 1999 it's shown itself 
as a great venue for Cobalt Users to know and help each other.

The fact is that most people will NOT subscribe to a new list.  Most of 
the community will disappear.  How do I know?  I've been through this 
many times before in the years I've been on lists (since some time in 
the 70s), and I've learned the hard way that keeping this list going by 
moving it to another (Ryan's?) server is the best way to keep the 
community together.

> Zeffie, Ryan, and a few others have already offered services, with
> Ryan already setting up things. Let's not splinter this any further
> until Bruce gets back from the playground.

I don't recall seeing a post from Zeffie, and we haven't talked about 
during our phone conversations either, but I may have just missed it.  
Ryan's server is the server I'm talking about; Ryan's lists are set up 
now with Bruce and I having administration rights, so Bruce can manage 
the list as necessary and I can finish migrating the list over.

Jeff
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