Re: Your failure to plan (Was: Re: [cobalt-users] Re: cobalt-users digest, Vol 1 #279 - 20 msgs)

["Jim O'Regan" <jim@xxxxxxx>]

Jeff--

Good Slam.  I tend to lurk here and not contribute much... was thinking
about unsubscribing from the list just this morning due to the all of the
wanna-be Admin's that can't RTFM; think I'll stick around for a while
now...


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On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Jeff Lasman wrote:

> At 11:08 AM 2/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >Not
> >that price is an issue when we were losing thousands of dollars a minute. 
> >But that's moot now
> >since we've removed the Qubes from our environment.
> 
> Anyone hosting the kind of site on a Qube that can cost them thousands of 
> dollars a minute is asking for trouble <smile>.  It's just not designed for 
> high-power eCommerce hosting.  Which is what you'd have had to have been 
> doing on it for it to be costing you thousands of dollars per minute.
> 
> >  And I will ban any use of them anywhere
> >related to our company, or any  of our clients or partners in the future.
> 
> Certainly you should ban them for your company, if that is your 
> desire.  But to decide for any of your clients and even your partners what 
> they should or should not do?  I'm sure glad I don't want to be your 
> partner or client <smile>, because I guess you wouldn't allow me to 
> be.  Not that I think the Cobalt RaQ I'm renting is the greatest thing 
> since sliced bread... but what gives you right to decide that for me?  I 
> think if you approach your relationships with clients and partners by 
> telling them what they have to do to deal with you, you'll be out of 
> business soon enough.  Of course if you were recommending Qube's for 
> high-power eCommerce solutions you'll be out of business soon enough, 
> anyway <wry grin>.
> 
> >I supposed that wuold certainly be possible, but we still (have too) would 
> >have to pull out
> >the hard drive to recover the perl code we had on there.
> 
> With all that Sun and HP experience you've got, you never learned to back 
> up your lowly Qube?  Still, though, for a high-stepper like you, removing a 
> drive should be a piece of cake, shouldn't it.  So I guess you're just 
> upset that the appliance you bought just didn't wash clothes to your 
> satisfaction, did it?
> 
> >I was hoping that someone has designed some sort of feature 
> >(intelligently) that would allow a
> >more reasonable recovery method.
> 
> I was hoping that someone who would trust their 
> thousands-of-dollars-per-minute business to a Qube would first spend the 
> time and money it took to figure out if it would do the job for them.  And 
> yes, that includes having a reasonable recovery method.  I've put a lot of 
> systems into service.  I was the first person to document to Red Hat that 
> their 6.0 eCommerce solution didn't create a working emergency recovery 
> disk.  And I found it out while building the system.  Why?  Because I tried 
> the recovery disk before putting one byte of important information on the 
> system.  Believe me, if you use your HP and Sun boxes with the same abandon 
> towards reasonable data security methods, you'll eventually have to get rid 
> of them, too.  Oh, you can always go to IBM for their $10,000/month 
> solutions.  Of course you can.  After all, you're making thousands of 
> dollars a minute.  Even at the low end of the scale, we're talking 
> $2,880,000 PER DAY in lost profits.  You can afford one of those high end 
> IBM ecommerce solutions, can't you <smile>?
> 
> >We're instead going to stick with our HP and Sun equipment, companies that 
> >seem to have
> >actually thought out these issues.
> 
> All their thinking won't do you a world of good if you don't think before 
> you implement.
> 
> >I understand the RAQs have console ports and the like, that would have 
> >been much more
> >sensible, but eventhat aside, the fact they (cobalt) don't provide 24 hr 
> >support is certainly
> >enought to keep our company from ever using their products in the future.
> 
> Had you checked them out in the past you would have realized that they 
> didn't offer it, and you would have saved the cost of one computer PLUS 
> $2,880,000 PER DAY in lost profits.  Think of it.  I guess that's why us 
> system analysts make the big bucks <smile>.
> 
> >Such a shame though, a well.
> 
> Sorry to realize you're most likely not on the list anymore and won't read 
> this.
> 
> <smile>
> 
> Jeff
> 
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