Re: [cobalt-developers] SMTP Email

["Joel Holtzman" <joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I was just kidding because earthlink prevented the mailbox for one person I
know who wanted one, and raq 3 won't install the .pkg I need the system
update 4.0

that's where the
earthlink + raq 3 = bleh came from

the raq 3 issue is causing a delay in getting php up with the libraries I
need up

it was just a goofy comment on it to vent

Thanks for your time

Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Lasman <jblists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cobalt-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [cobalt-developers] SMTP Email


> Joel Holtzman wrote:
>
> > earthlink = bleh
> >
> > that's what I get out of this. Time to install a web based mail,
>
> Web mail is nice, but I can't imagine any customer would want to use
> web-based outgoing email.
>
> > or just let
> > them enjoy mail forwarding, what a shame.
>
> No shame.  This is the way the Internet works.  If I (as an ISP) can't
> restrict outgoing email to my own server there's no way I can keep
> spammers from using my connection.
>
> > In short, raq 3 + earthlink = headaches
>
> Nope.  Not at all.  You can be as prejudiced as you want, but every
> responsible ISP does now, or will eventually, block outgoing email from
> all their dialup accounts, except through their own ports.  I did, on my
> ISPs, and if I ever run another one (I've been asked to become a partner
> in Socalix), I'll do it to.
>
> Here's what'll happen before long if I don't:
>
> Spammers will figure out they can use my outgoing dialup accounts to
> send spam that I won't see in my logs.  They'll buy accounts with me and
> tell their friends to do the same.
>
> The outgoing spam will have so many bad addresses (most email lists
> spammers use are better than 50% invalid addresses; they just don't
> care; it's cheaper to send out more and to buy more lists than it is to
> clean them, and they don't care about the messes they leave behind) that
> my server will be inundated with literally millions of bounced emails
> daily.  You've never seen millions of emails hit a server, have you?  I
> have.
>
> The millions of bounces will completely bury my mailserver.  It'll shut
> down and my upstream provider will start seeing all the traffic bouncing
> back and forth on his network, so he'll shut me off the net to keep from
> closing down all his customers systems.
>
> All responsible ISPs will block my IP# address blocks so no one can
> reach my machines.
>
> I'll end up spending tens of thousands of dollars to fix everything if I
> want to stay in business, and the spammers won't care, they'll just
> start using someone else.
>
> That's my story, and I'm sticking to it <wry grin>.
>
> Jeff
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