[cobalt-developers] Re: Defending Cobalt (was Re: SMTP relaying on Cobalt)

[Metin Ozsavran <metin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Ms. Jale and Mr. Malcolm,

It is funny how both of you guys manage to agree and argue with
me simultaneously. You are agreeing that my (now very standart)
expectations cannot be met by Cobalt, and I am a fool to expect
them from a Cobalt.

Honestly, what does that tell you about Cobalt, and yourselves?
"Love prettiness to death!" ??

Please for God's sake, how do you answer the acutely serious and
very current security holes Cobalt's obselete software creates?

How do you answer that poor guy who's been screaming "My Cobalt's
been Hacked!" on this very list? C'mon now?

Have you seen the messages on this very list that shouts ugrading
software on Cobalts breaks the pretty GUI?

Do you realize your answers do not answer my questions, but just
tries to put Cobalts to a lower expectation level, than any
freely available Unix? What kind of "defense" is that now?

In your opinion, it is my own fault to expect current and secure
software from Cobalt. To which I am forced to agree 101%!

And dear Ms. Jale, please don't you even aspire to ridicule any
Rocket scientist or engineer. They, after all have given you the
opportunity to make a living from designing those 10-+ web sites.
Why, that is not really nice or pretty behaviour you see...

Both your answers are fruitless technically, and unfortunately
just serves to prove my points and kill time. You cannot ask
your customers to go back and use "POP-me-before-SMTP-me", just
because your software is old, you afraid to upgrade it, beacuse
the pretty cobalt GUI would be all messed up.

These "cobalts" are machines we talking, and you are saying it is
a fault to expect performance/production? Even when that production
can be achieved for absolutely FREE?

I am dying to see how convoluted your new answers will be, and
your attempts to *ban* me right out from the list, so that you can
continue to feel "safe". Or maybe you will blame me to have too
much time to write messages, and suddenly declare that you do
not have that time. Go on, you seem like "creative" types...

Maybe you'll be honest and suggest that, I too should adapt
"security-by-beauty-arrogance-ignorance-and-pathety" policy.

I'll raise my concerns to *HELL* if necessary. And the worst thing
would be trying to stop or gag me!

And please, for your own sake, I am not looking forward to hear
anything so sad from you guys again, ok?

Kind and Sincere Regards,

Metin Ozsavran, BScEE MBA
General Manager, TurkNet Communications Ltd.
Tel: +90-216-330-8560
fax: +90-216-330-8563


At 16:45 25.03.2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >What is the value added Cobalt claims to provide here?
> >A PC in a 1U box? Many companies sell 1U PC cases.
> >Anybody can build that at home. Oh, maybe its the face
> >plate?? Or the ability to enter IP numbers from the
> >cool LCD panel?  Well that is really no use to me.
> >However, I will talk forever having paid the first
> >month's rent.
>
> RAQ owners who expect these machines to be *everything you ever wanted*
> have bought the wrong machine. I LOVE MY RAQ3 SERVER - I bought it for the
> right reasons:
> 1) I opened the box and put it in the rack
> 2) I turned it on and gave it an IP
> 3) I spent one hr configuring and got 10 sites up running.
>
> That doesn't happen with systems you build yourself, in a 1U case or not.
> The idea of these machines is shear simplicity to own/operate to lower
> overall cost of ownership. They ARE NOT made to be the end all to rocket
> science. If you want that, build your own, pick out your own products to
> install, and become your own support person.
>
> I don't have time for any of that.
>
> RAQ's are awesome if you use them for their intended purpose:
> 1) To pull out of the box
> 2) To turn on
> 3) To configure
> 4) To not mess around with on the inside, just leave them; just install new
> patches, add web sites, and try and make money.
>
> Danny
>
> PS: I sure hope you didn't rent it from the ripoff artists at Interliant :)
>
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