Re: [cobalt-users] Spam From Cobalt

[Jay Kraft <jkraft@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Gee, I though Spam was that terrible stuff in cans that you were forced to
eat at prep school. Actually, I think you guys off to intellectualize off
the list because your whole discussion is BORING,

At 08:05 PM 12/14/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>What is spam?
>Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an
>attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to
>receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products,
>get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Spam costs the sender very
>little to send -- most of the costs are paid for by the recipient or the
>carriers rather than by the sender.
>
>There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on
>Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or
>more Usenet newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found
>that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most
>or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read
>newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam
>robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a
>barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam
>subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the
>topics they accept on their systems.
>
>Email spam targets individual users with direct mail messages. Email spam
>lists are often created by scanning Usenet postings, stealing Internet
>mailing lists, or searching the Web for addresses. Email spams typically
>cost users money out-of-pocket to receive. Many people - anyone with
>measured phone service - read or receive their mail while the meter is
>running, so to speak. Spam costs them additional money. On top of that, it
>costs money for ISPs and online services to transmit spam, and these costs
>are transmitted directly to subscribers.
>
>One particularly nasty variant of email spam is sending spam to mailing
>lists (public or private email discussion forums.) Because many mailing
>lists limit activity to their subscribers, spammers will use automated tools
>to subscribe to as many mailing lists as possible, so that they can grab the
>lists of addresses, or use the mailing list as a direct target for their
>attacks.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz (E-mail)" <rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <cobalt-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:46 PM
>Subject: RE: [cobalt-users] Spam From Cobalt
>
>
>> > This is not SPAM by definition.. I do not see where any headers were
>> > forged, or any unauthorized servers were used to relay this message..
>> > there is nothing in the headers to indicate this as SPAM.
>>
>> *My* definition of spam is any unsolicited and unauthorized commercial
>> email. If I didn't ask for it, or didn't give the company permission to
>send
>> it, it's spam.
>>
>> That said, I do want to know what companies I deal with are up to and what
>> new and useful stuff they can offer me. To that end, I allow any company
>> with which I do business to send me all the garbage they want to AS LONG
>AS
>> THEY ASK FOR PERMISSION PREVIOUSLY. The amount and quality of email
>content
>> they send me is then another variable in deciding how much future business
>> to do with them.
>>
>> However, anyone who spams me (see definition above) instantly makes it far
>> less likely that I'll buy from them, now or ever. No forging of headers is
>> necessary to qualify as a spammer. They didn't ask me if I wanted to hear
>> from them... that's enough.
>>
>> --
>> Rodolfo J. Paiz
>> rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
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