RE: [cobalt-users] What cpu is in a cobalt raq4 - screaming lawsuits

["Kevin" <owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have officially requested data and a contact response from Cobalt Networks
using my MAC address to verify the server that I am under contract agreement
with Cobalt Racks; to verify what this server was built and sold as. From
what I understand this is a violation of Cobalt Networks True Blue Partners
to do such a modification to the RaQ3 and maintain it's existence of being a
RaQ4.

Kevin


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Subject: Re: [cobalt-users] What cpu is in a cobalt raq4 - screaming
lawsuits

I believe you are missing the point.

There is no value or savings in taking a cpu out of an RAQ4 and replacing it
w/ a slower one.  In truth, the cost is only about $20 difference and then a
company would be stuck w/ a bunch of cpus!

The value is in taking an RAQ3, the bottom of the line w/ one ethernet
port - runs about $1,000 retail, loading the RAQ4 OS, not changing the CPU
and adding memory and a slightly larger harddrive.  Savings would be about
$1,000 per unit if a company did this.

As far as stating the CPU on their site, this is not necessary, as the
specifications of the model are determined by Cobalt.  If Cobalt makes all
RAQ4s w/ a 450mhz processor and two ethernets, anything less is misleading.
Also, if a company purchased a RAQ3 and modified it to an RAQ4, it would
simply be a modified RAQ3, as the designation of what type of unit it is is
also set by cobalt.  An RAQ4 is a model designation, this is different from
saying pentium class server, or cobalt server, when you state the specific
model, you are required to provide the specific model.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Carrie Bartkowiak" <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cobalt-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: [cobalt-users] What cpu is in a cobalt raq4 - screaming
lawsuits


> Egads, Batman.
> Okay. Here's my reports, as following the various commands that have come
> through the list:
>
> [root admin]# cat /proc/net/dev
> Inter-|   Receive                                                |
Transmit
>  face |bytes    packets errs drop fifo frame compressed multicast|bytes
> packe
> ts errs drop fifo colls carrier compressed
>     lo: 2491624   25626    0    0    0     0          0         0  2491624
> 256
> 26    0    0    0     0       0          0
>   eth0:131192296  866822    0    0    0     0          0         0
102737685
> 15
> 9123    0    0    0     0       0          0
>
> >From this it would seem that I only have one nic.
> When clicking on the Cobalt logo in my GUI, it says I have OS6. However,
> there is only one nic listed and therefore, one mac address.
> I have screen shots of all of the above:
> telnet cat /proc/net/dev-
> http://www.allaboutchoice.com/list/telnet.jpg
> clicking on cobalt logo-
> http://www.allaboutchoice.com/list/os.jpg
> control panel/network screen-
> http://www.allaboutchoice.com/list/nic.jpg
>
> When typing in the 'dmesg' command in telnet, this is what I get:
> [root admin]# dmesg
> Linux version 2.2.14C11 (root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) (gcc version 2.95.2
> 19991024 (
> release)) #2 Wed Jun 28 00:55:51 PDT 2000
> Ignoring bogus EBDA pointer 3DDB000
> Detected 298806483 Hz processor.
> Calibrating delay loop... 596.38 BogoMIPS
> Memory: 127980k/131072k available (1076k kernel code, 416k reserved, 1540k
> data,
>  60k init)
>
> <snipped>
>
> Further down I only have etho0 (zero), no etho1 listed. As you can see
from
> the screenshots, there's something weird going on in there too, got a
bunch
> of lockups at the end.
> http://www.allaboutchoice.com/list/telnet1.jpg
> http://www.allaboutchoice.com/list/telnet2.jpg
> http://www.allaboutchoice.com/list/telnet3.jpg
> http://www.allaboutchoice.com/list/telnet3.jpg
>
> I'm supposed to have a 15.3GB hdd, it's reporting as a 14.2BG; but that
> could be a matter of how the reporting mechanism gauges the size I
suppose.
>
> Ahh sh*t.  I could swear that my Phasi told me I had a 450. I just went to
> check it though, and it's telling me I have a 300:
> CPU: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor 298 MHz Processor(s)
> Net Card info: 1 ethernet interface(s) eth0: Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100
> at 0x1000, 00:10:E0:01:D2:8B, IRQ 11.
> IDE device(s) info: 1 IDE Device(s) hda: ST315323A, 14652MB w/512kB Cache,
> CHS=29770/16/63, (U)DMA
> PCI info: PCI bus devices: Host bridge: Acer Labs M1541 Aladdin V (rev 4).
> PCI bridge: Acer Labs M5243 AGP (rev 4). Non-VGA device: Acer Labs M7101
PMU
> (rev 0). ISA bridge: Acer Labs M1533 Aladdin IV (rev 195). IDE interface:
> Acer Labs M5229 TXpro (rev 193). Ethernet controller: Intel 82559ER (rev
9).
>
> Maybe it's when hubby and I were shopping for servers, we were talking
about
> so many different processors, 450 stuck in my head. Anyhow, I can make my
> Phasi report available if anyone would like to see it - although you have
my
> word I just copied and pasted that stuff right out of it.
>
> To CR's credit, on their offering they don't say specifically what
processor
> speed you'll get, just an AMD x86. Here's the offer for a RaQ4i
> (non-enterprise, which is what I have):
>  RaQ 4i Platform
>  AMD X86
>  128MB DRAM
>  15.3GB Hard Disk
>  Includes ASP!
>  Includes PHP 4!
>  Includes MySQL!
>  Supports SSL
>  66 GB of Traffic
>  $0/Setup
>  $199/Month
>
> Granted I get 50GB of bandwidth, that's the only thing that's changed
since
> I signed up. Also, I suggested that they needed to take the MySQL off of
> there the first week I had the server and ended up installing MySQL myself
> because it wasn't on the machine... but they haven't done that.
>
> On the Cobalt data sheet for the RaQ4 it says this:
> Ordering information: Part Number R46 CE2 GIU
> RAQ 4i with 128MB, DRAM Single 15GB IDE disk, dual ethernet, SCSI, PCI
slot
> Note that it doesn't say what processor.
> Further up, in Hardware, it says
> "450 MHz Intel compatible processor"
> *Not* that it has to be *genuine* Intel - just Intel compatible.  Although
> finding out there's a 300 where my 450 should be is still disappointing.
It
> also says that there are to be dual 10/100 Base-T ethernet interfaces.
Looks
> like I only have one.
>
> I know that I've seen other cobalt dedicated hosts put 'AMD x86' on their
> details page. So could this be something that Cobalt is offering now, but
it
> wasn't in the plans when the data sheet was printed?
>
> Is it possible that this is not CR's purposeful misleading of customers,
but
> rather that they were shipped the wrong configuration from Cobalt itself?
> I've seen quite a few messages this past week of people that have had to
RMA
> a lot of RaQs and are getting out of Cobalt all together because of it.
>
> You can go to CR's site and look at the pictures of their July shipment
and
> their October shipment, which was about ten times the size. I just can't
> believe that they would even attempt to take the time to take 450
processors
> out of all of those RaQs and slip in 300's instead. A mistake had to have
> been made somewhere. At this point we don't know; it could be a mistake
that
> generated from Cobalt's end; shipping the wrong machines or even
> purposefully packaging a 300 where there was supposed to be a 450 and
> shipping it to CR. We don't know.
>
> Maybe we should ask the Vice President of Cobalt Sales - he was there at
> CR's NOC (see pictures on the site).
>
> I've also got a bunch of emails with trace routes from when things got
slow
> or there was no connection. (I always include a tracert if there is a
> problem so that Sam can track it down.)
>
> Sigh.
> It is looking like, even if CR is found to be innocent of what everyone's
> claiming, we'll all have to find a new NOC anyway because of this lawsuit
> and everything it's going to cost them.
>
> Double sigh.
> Carrie Bartkowiak
>
>
>
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