RE: [cobalt-users] RAQ4 - Frontpage and FTP permissions - Cobalt, read this

["WebSite Creations" <main@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>>This is not a bug. When you use FrontPage, you aren't supposed to use FTP
to
>>alter any of the files. All site administration is to be done through
>>FrontPage. Just another of FrontPage's lovely <cough> features... (I hate
FrontPage)

Where have you guys been?  Frontpage, like it or not, is a very popular
program and many people use it.  I do not use it personally, but as an
administrator for 2000+ hosted web sites, I will say that about 25% + use
Frontpage.  That is an incredible number of users.

If your solution is, ' Just don't use FTP', then I am glad you do not work
for Cobalt Support.

Until I purchased RaQ4 servers, I have NEVER had a problem altering files
with FTP after uploading them with Frontpage.  In fact,  FTP is a compliment
to ANY web design program, including Frontpage.  To say "Don't use FTP" is
just a ridiculous answer.

So, I am sorry to de-bunk your answer, but, this is an obvious bug that any
Linux administrator worth his/her salt can readily identify as such.

Bill M.


>>>
>>>||>> Thus, when someone uploads with Frontpage, they are then
>>>||>unable to alter
>>>||>> these files in an FTP session because Frontpage has changed the
>>>||>> ownership of
>>>||>> FP files to 'nobody' I believe.   Example, if you attempt to
>>>||>delete a file
>>>||>> using FTP, but it has been uploaded with Frontpage, you get
>>>a 550 not
>>>||>> allowed message from the FTP program.  This is not normal.  This
>>>||>> should not
>>>||>> happen.  I have verified that this happens on all of our RaQ4s.
>>>||>> It seems to
>>>||>> be a bug.
>>>
>>>This is not a bug. When you use FrontPage, you aren't supposed
>>>to use FTP to
>>>alter any of the files. All site administration is to be done through
>>>FrontPage.
>>>Just another of FrontPage's lovely <cough> features... (I hate FrontPage)
>>>
>>>Dan wrote:
>>>||>I think there needs to be a patch to stop people from trying to
>>>||>use both FTP
>>>||>and FrontPage to upload files. If you want to delete a file with
>>>||>FTP don't
>>>||>publish the file with FrontPage. If you delete a file with FTP from a
>>>||>FrontPage web you will mess up the FrontPage web. Just open
>>>the site in
>>>||>FrontPage and delete it.
>>>
>>>I can't support Dan's message here enough. Two thumbs up!
>>>FrontPage doubles the amount of space your web site takes up, it has
>>>features that do
>>>not work with Nutscrape and other browsers, it completely eats
>>>code that you
>>>put in from
>>>external sources (ie: banner exchanges, affiliate links, etc.)
>>>and is just
>>>generally
>>>NOT everything it is supposed to be. IMHO, the *only* thing FP
>>>is useful for
>>>is image mapping -
>>>and of course you cut that out of the FP page and paste it into your own
>>>html page. ;)
>>>
>>>Please don't touch your FrontPage files with FTP. Please don't touch your
>>>FTP files with
>>>FrontPage.
>>>Hand code your HTML so everything shows up the way you want it
>>>to! That way
>>>you don't have to
>>>worry about cross-browser problems, your site taking up twice as
>>>much space
>>>as it needs to, or
>>>whether something is a Cobalt bug or a FrontPage limitation.  :)
>>>
>>>Carrie Bartkowiak
>>>
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