Re: [cobalt-users] One Good Reason ..

["Steve Bassi" <Steve@xxxxxxxxx>]

I leased a Ford the other day its not a Ferrari - but

It doesent do 150MPH - but i want it to!!!!

I am not allowed to go above 70mph on the highway - Surely this is something
to do with Ford

I filled the tank up with Gas - and you wont believe this ... I have to do
it again. - Why cant Ford produce cars that run for ever on one tank of Gas.

Worse still it doesent come with a chauffeur and I have to steer it and push
the pedals myself.

I guess I have to win the lottery and but the Ferrari.


Best Regards

Steve Bassi
London UK

(ps this is an English attempt at humor - admonishments on a postcard
please)

By the way Russell - its worth having a RAQ - just to know all the friendly
people here - that have provided me with invaluable FREE assistance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lasman" <jblists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cobalt-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [cobalt-users] One Good Reason ..


> Russell wrote:
>
> >  .. and notice that cobalt knowledge base doesn't
> >     even have Raq4 articles ..
>
> Probably too new.
>
> >     are they going out of business and just
> >     not saying anything ??
>
> They were bought by Sun.  And aren't saying anything <wry grin>.
>
> >  I know this ain't no 12 step support group, but
> >  I'm ready to bail on my rental contract w/
> >  a company leasing me a RaQ4r ..
>
> Quitting this soon <smile>?
>
> Just use the group.
>
> >  First, I must be able to run some kind of
> >  shared SSL, it will be quite hard for me
> >  to sell what I have and ask folks to pay
> >  $ 125 - $ 300 per cert, when joe blow
> >  down the street gives it away on a $ 22.00
> >  per month web site ..
>
> Joe Blow down the street is most likely violating the agreement he made
> with the company that issued his cert, but that's his business.
>
> Okay, let's presume you'd like to violage the agreement as well
> <smile>...
>
> >  Try using a virtual site ../sitename.com/siteadmin/
> >    login, and HTTPS is forced (no choice) which
> >    of course reports a name mismatch on the cert ..
> >
> >  This is pretty cute for customers to log into.
> >  I wouldn't think this is a confidence builder
> >  for my customers ..
>
> This is only partially a Cobalt issue.
>
> The real problem is that Certs only work for one domain name.  The
> purpose of a cert is to certify the site belongs to whom it says it
> belongs.  So a cert can only really be used on one site.
>
> You can take that up with Verisign and others; they'll most likely try
> to set you up as your certification authority; it's quite expensive.
>
> >  Just what the H*ll is cobalt thinking of here.
> >  I'll need to privately purchase a $ 300 cert
> >  just to keep my customers who use the web
> >  based /siteadmin/ UI ??
>
> The only other choice I can think of would be for your users to log in
> as yourname/theirsite.com etc.
>
> Is that what you want?
>
> >    .. How to make SSL available to virtual sites ?
> >
> >   What about this ..
> >
> >   * But 1 additional cert for www.mysecurehost.com
> >   * Give my virtual sites a user account under
> >      www.mysecurehost.com/~user1/cgi-bin/
> >
> >      Pretty awkward if folks want to work with
> >      their own cgi files .. requires seperate
> >      log ins ??
>
> As I said, it's the nature of what a cert is all about.
>
> >    If someone might give me one good reason
> >    why I shouldn't chunk this whole project
> >    right out the window ..
>
> Actually, you probably should, if you can't see the forest for the
> trees, which is how your problem appears to be to me.
>
> >    I certainly don't feel I'm in the promised
> >    land of web hosting ..
>
> Okay, we agree on something <smile>.  Everything requires work.
> Everything requires learning, and most things play better when we play
> by the rules.
>
> That place you wrote about at the top of your email, you know, the one
> chrging $22 per month?  Do they offer a cobalt style administration
> system as well?  Do they offer it through customerdomain.com?
>
> No?  I didn't think so.
>
> >    Please, no admonishment for whining here.
> >    I'm sincerely frustrated, with money and
> >    so far plenty of hours working my way
> >    through the Raq, only to find it will
> >    probably not be able to compete with
> >    normal hosting packages .. and not even
> >    come close as a server to run cgi
> >    shopping cart enabled sites from ..
>
> The issue is NOT Cobalt.  It's not the nature of certs.  It appears to
> be your expectations, combined with your knowledge of what other hosting
> companies do and how they do it.
>
> Obviously, many of us make a good living with RaQs.  If your business
> model doesn't fit in with RaQs, then you'd be best served by ending your
> contract as soon as possible and finding something else.
>
> Jeff
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