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Re: [cobalt-users] WHAT CAN YOU GET FOR $20???
- Subject: Re: [cobalt-users] WHAT CAN YOU GET FOR $20???
- From: "Mike Fritsch" <mfritsch@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue Oct 17 03:12:13 2000
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: [cobalt-users] WHAT CAN YOU GET FOR $20???
> What can you get for $20.00?
> A pizza A tank of gas A haircut
> Lunch with a friend A parking place
> How About
> FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE!!!!
How about a bat to hit you over the head with?
>
>
>
>
> Looking for that extra something, to help your life have that
> little extra
> comfort?
> Do you work to cover the bills? Fed up with paying out and not
> receiving the
> rewards you wish for? Then have an open mind And read all of
> this,
> before you
> make a decision- it will be worth your while.
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Fellow Entrepreneur
> If you wish to learn about an exceptional
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>
> "Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to
> you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what
> happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens."
>
> This is going to be a great New Year for you!
>
> Please read all of this!
>
> EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!!
>
> ****************************************************************
>
> You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail,
> seem impossible? Read on for details (no, there is no
> 'catch')...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV"
>
> Thank you for your time and Interest. This is the letter you've
> been hearing about in the news lately.
>
> Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a major
> nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the
> investigation of the program, described below, to see if it
> really can make people money.
>
> The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal.
> Their findings proved once and for all that there are,
> absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program.
> This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless
> and fun way to make some extra money at home.
>
> The results of this show have been truly remarkable. Since so
> many people are participating now, those involved are doing much
> better than ever before. Everyone makes more as more people try
> it out. It is very, very exciting to be a part of this plan. You
> will understand once you experience it.
>
> "HERE IT IS, BELOW"
>
> ================================================
> ================================================
>
> *** Print This Now For Future Reference ***
>
> The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in
> taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment
> and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!!
>
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>
> If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days!
> Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!!
>
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>
> THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEYMAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does
> not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard
> work and best of all, you never have to leave the house except
> to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big
> break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow
> the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This e-mail
> marketing program works perfectly...100%, EVERY TIME. E-mail is
> the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-
> commercialized method of advertising NOW!!! The longer you wait,
> the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your
> piece of this program now!
>
> MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability.
> It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, both Stanford
> Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between
> 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through
> multi-level methods by the late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion
> Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20%
> (100,000) made their fortune in the last few years in MLM.
> Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday
> through Multi-Level Marketing.
>
> You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald
> Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman Show. Dave asked
> him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over
> from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a
> good network marketing company and get to work. The audience
> started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and
> dead-panned his response - "That's why I'm sitting up here and
> you are all sitting out there!"
>
> With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct
> commissions from sales you make yourself and commissions from
> sales made by people you introduce to the business.
>
> Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing
> time or money once and getting paid again and again and again.
> In network marketing, it also means getting paid for the work of
> others.
>
> The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through
> my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and
> gave some thought and study to it.
>
> My name is Ellie Gilbert. Two years ago, the corporation I
> worked for, the past twelve years, down-sized and my position
> was eliminated.
>
> After many unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own
> business. Over the past year,
> I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family,
> friends and creditors over $40,000... I just couldn't seem to
> make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to
> support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT
> something significant happened in my life and I am writing to
> share the experience in hopes that this will change your life,
> FINANCIALLY, FOREVER!!!
>
> In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's
> prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for
> information on various business opportunities. All of the
> programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective.
> They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the
> initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they
> would work or not. One claimed that I would make a million
> dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a best
> selling book to make it!
>
> But, as I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this
> program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my
> name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT! After reading
> it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I
> couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I
> could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me
> further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it
> out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I
> was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the
> legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post
> Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is
> indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A
> CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT."
>
> Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. The great thing about e-
> mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the
> program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail,
> the only expense is my time. I'm telling you as it is, I hope it
> doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not
> "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me.
>
> In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for
> REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT
> #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1
> WITHIN 2 WEEKS. If you don't, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU
> DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By
> January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal
> is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2
> WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU
> HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR
> $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more
> than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-
> mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every
> day.
>
> I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please
> take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE
> FOREVER! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This
> program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially
> the rules of not trying to place your name in a different
> place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In
> order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+
> orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will
> make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT
> WORKS!
>
> If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It
> really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you.
> If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be
> on your way to financial security.
>
> If you are a business owner and in financial trouble, as I was,
> or you want to start your own business, consider this a good
> luck sign. I DID!
>
> Sincerely,
> Ellie Gilbert
>
> P.S. Do you have any idea what $58,000 looks like piled up on a
> kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME!
>
> A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:
>
> By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports you
> should have concluded that such a program, one that is legal,
> could not have been created by an amateur.
>
> Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable
> business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling
> off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful
> for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It
> wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had
> replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I
> don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...
> because many of you know from first hand experience. There were
> more failures and bankruptcies than ever before.
>
> The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were
> doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not,
> including those who never had anything to save or invest, were
> moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes,
> "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER."
> The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to
> "move up"
> or
> "get rich".
>
> You have just received information that can give you financial
> freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A
> LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few
> months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out
> that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who
> has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made
> over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after
> sending out over 16,000 programs.
>
> Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in
> any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-
> mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think
> of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and
> your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the
> more
> you send out the more potential customers you will reach.
>
> So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials
> and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS NOW UP
> TO YOU!
>
> "THINK ABOUT IT"
>
> Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost
> did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.
> Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU
> participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no
> matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money!
> You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you
> have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS!
> Jody Jacobs,
> Richmond, VA
>
> HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF
> DOLLARS
>
> INSTRUCTIONS:
>
> This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100 %, EVERY TIME. I
> am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90
> days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program
> carefully.
>
> This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making
> opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-
> level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new
> partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows
> you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a
> product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE
> FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling.
> You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is
> the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere:
>
> This is what you MUST do:
>
> 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell
> them if you don't order them).
>
> * For each report, send $5.00 (£5) CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF
> THE
> REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME
> & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name
> appears on the list next to the report.
> MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY
> MAIL PROBLEMS!
>
> * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the
> four reports. You will need all four reports so that you can
> save them on your computer and resell them.
>
> * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of
> the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be
> accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will
> order them from you.
>
> 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are
> listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in
> any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f"
> or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you
> understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't
> work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested,
> and if you alter it, it will not work.
>
> a. Look below for the listing of available reports.
>
> b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this letter and
> remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has
> made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their
> $50,000!
>
> c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.
>
> d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.
>
> e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.
>
> f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please
> make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY!
>
> 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of
> names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the
> instruction portion of this letter.
>
> 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the
> WORLD WIDE WEB! SEND OUT THIS LETTER (with your name added) TO
> AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN, EVEN FRIENDS AND FAMILY. Advertising
> on the WEB can be very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS
> of FREE places to advertise. Another avenue which you could use
> for advertising is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for
> under $20/20,000 addresses or you can pay someone to take care
> of it for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY!
>
> 5. For every $5.00(£5) you receive, all you must do is e-mail
> them
> the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY
> SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will help guarantee that the e-mail
> THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt
> because they can't advertise until they receive the report! To
> grow fast be prompt and courteous.
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> AVAILABLE REPORTS
>
> ------------------------------------------
> ***Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME***
>
> Notes:
> * - ALWAYS SEND $5(£5) CASH FOR EACH REPORT
> * - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA THE QUICKEST DELIVERY
> * - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least
> two sheets of paper
> * - On one of those sheets of paper, include:
> (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering,
> (b) your e-mail address, and
> (c) your postal address.
> ___________________________________________________________
> REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES"
>
> ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:
>
> K. Winchell (will accept your currency)
> PO Box 283
> Sandy Creek, NY
> USA 13145
> _______________________________________________________
> REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES"
> ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:
>
> E.Mills (will accept your currency)
> PO Box 2
> Mowbray Heights
> Launceston,Tasmania
> Australia 7248
> ________________________________________________
> REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS"
>
> Jim Wright
> 38 Pentyla Baglan Rd
> Port Talbot
> West Glamorgan SA12 8AA
> Wales UK
>
>
> ________________________________________________
> REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS"
>
> ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:
> Conrad Fry
> 1 Avon Gardens
> West Bridgford
> Nottingham England
> NG2 6BP
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it
> works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on
> your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet
> will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone
> else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow
> this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below.
>
> 1st level--your 10 members with $5.......................$50
> 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)........$500
> 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)...$5,000
> 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5x10,000).$50,000
> THIS TOTALS ------ $55,550
>
> Remember, this assumes that the people who participate only
> recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if
> they got 20 people to participate! Lots of people get 100s of
> participants! THINK ABOUT IT!
>
> Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely
> you can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internet
> connection and e-mail is FREE! REPORT #3 shows you the most
> productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail
> lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade!
>
> Over 50,000, new people, get on the Internet EVERYDAY (CBS
> NEWS)!
>
> *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS*******
>
> * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and
> follow the directions accurately.
>
> * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them
> when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5
> order, you MUST send out the requested product (report) to
> comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18, Sections
> 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also
> Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which
> state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money
> received."
>
> * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.
>
> * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow
> the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be
> SUCCESSFUL!
>
> * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED!
>
> *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE*******
>
> Follow these guidelines to help assure your success:
>
> If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two
> weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of
> weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT
> #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you
> have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX,
> because the system is already working for you, and the cash can
> continue to roll in!
>
> THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:
>
> Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed
> in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your
> PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you.
> If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-
> mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to
> the income you will generate from this business!
>
> PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business,
> registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled,
> etc., contact your local office of the Small Business
> Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 for free help
> and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service
> offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business
> tax requirements. Your earnings and results are highly dependent
> on your activities and advertising. This letter constitutes no
> guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is
> determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind,
> that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of
> earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If
> you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the
> Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal
> Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC.
>
> *******T E S T I M O N I A L S*******
>
> This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY!
> Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a
> different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of
> potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a
> great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little
> cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program
> exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security.
> Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS
>
> My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I
> am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make
> pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to
> Doris about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole
> thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages
> involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my
> supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made
> merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you
> so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on
> me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within
> 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was
> shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it
> wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her
> "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I
> think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to
> MLM.
> Frank T., Bel-Air, MD
>
> I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to
> you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come
> in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the
> plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!
> Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC
>
> The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this
> system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to
> get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached
> several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see
> what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money
> required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first
> 14 weeks, with money still coming in.
> Phillip A. Brown, Esq.
>
> Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up
> my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am,
> I decided that the initial investment was so little that there
> was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least
> get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-
> size post office box crammed with orders! For a while, it got so
> overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the
> window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my
> life before. The nice thing about this plan is that it doesn't
> matter where in the U.S. people live. There simply isn't a
> better investment with a faster return.
> Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI
>
> I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I
> wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had
> no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait
> until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it
> came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on
> the first try!!
> D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN
>
> This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit
> our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the
> interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will
> work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your
> family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck
> and happy spending!
> Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA
>
> ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO
> FINANCIAL FREEDOM!
>
> NOW IS THE HOUR!
>
> DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS
> POWERFUL RESULTS !
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