Re: [cobalt-users] RAQ-Solaris??? Bad Decision

["Arsalan Mahmud" <arsalan@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

A sun "horror" story

Communitech.net uses Sun systems to provide ultimate reliability!. They are
so reliable that their $30,000 backup "Sun" servers failed and they have had
major crashes because "Sun said that they will be alright if they removed
one harddrive from a RAID5 set that has had 2 harddrives already fail". They
have a huge client base and I must say I am impressed what sun did with
them. Just think what will happen with us....


Arsalan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Emilio Saldana" <emilio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cobalt-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [cobalt-users] RAQ-Solaris??? Bad Decision


> I have had the opportunity too to work with Solaris, and I thank God I was
not
> charged for all the "Sorry for the delay",- "Sorry to keep you waiting"-
"That
> is not covered so it has an aditional charge"- "it is supposed to run
ok",- "it
> should be working now" -"We can send you tech ppl for a small fee, no
matter our
> SW fails, you can still pay a fortune for it".
>
> And obviously, definetly, it is more a matter of choice. Why should I be
happy
> to lose Linux if that is the option I looked for, no matter the reason. I
really
> dont care if it is more expensive or not, because in the end, you just pay
to
> get services done and that is it.
>
> The major concern here goes on the side that Cobalt is definetly not
paying
> attention to what the users who made them "little big" (all of US), made
them
> big because they're bet was on the right path: Server appliances loaded
with
> great opensource solutions, and providing relatively cost-effective
solutions.
>
> Nah!, don't give me that rethorical-full-of-fear-to-be-flamed argument.
Asking
> not to be answered is saying "I know I am wrong but..".
>
> So it is easy, you buy a porsche, you want a porsche engine inside. You
dont buy
> a porsche with the hope some day Ferrari will stick they're engine into
it.
>
> Bad way to treat customers from Cobalt.
>
> I want my linux.
> I want my linux... and it dont HAVE to be Cobalt's.
>
> BTW, 5 RaQ 3 and 4 servers for sale... just in case.  ;)
>
> WebSite Creations wrote:
>
> > >>>Apart from the one or two people who have already expressed this,
just
> > >>>how many people on this list have actually *used* Solaris?
[Rhetorical
> > >>>question so don't go replying to it].
> >
> > Rhetorical Question?  IMHO, that's like punching someone in the arm and
> > saying 'You can't punch me back!'.
> >
> > Look.... One of the key reasons I chose the RaQ product line was because
of
> > the Linux OS.  I had many opportunities to purchase a SUN Solaris box. I
> > passed on each opportunity.  I'm sure SUN is a fine OS.  It simply did
not
> > appeal to me, and still does not appeal to me.  Who wants to spend time
> > compiling when Linux offers so many advantages in this area.  Time is
> > money -- at least, in the world that I live in.
> >
> > If Cobalt (SUN) goes to Solaris, I will not have the need for their
servers
> > any longer.  Plain and simple.  I want to use Linux.  I have spent years
> > learning the Linux OS.  I don't care where the box comes from as long as
it
> > has Linux.  I'm not tied down to Cobalt RaQs.  So, I know quite plainly
that
> > Linux is my OS of choice.
> >
> > That is where my opinion sits and I'm sure my sentiment is echoed by
many
> > other RaQ users who are astonished at the ill timed, short sited
comments by
> > SUN about not having time to work with 2 OS'.
> >
> > Bill M.
> >
> > >>>> If Sun puts Solaris on the RaQs, they can kiss my... er,  I mean, I
> > >>>will
> > >>>> not purchase any more RaQs.
> > >>>
> > >>><snip massively top-posted message which wasn't even relevant>
> > >>>
> > >>>I've been following this thread [1] since the start. I have to ask a
> > >>>question:
> > >>>
> > >>>Apart from the one or two >>>people who have already expressed this,
just
> > >>>how many people on this list have actually *used* Solaris?
[Rhetorical
> > >>>question so don't go replying to it].
> > >>>
> > >>>I have used Solaris on both Sun and Intel hardware. Apart from the
usual
> > >>>gripes I have with any operating system (hidden gotchas in things
like
> > >>>open file limits, process limits and the like - which we don't often
see
> > >>>mentioned on this list) I couldn't really complain. In fact under
> > >>>certain conditions I prefer Solaris on SPARC, but I'll keep quiet
about
> > >>>that :)
> > >>>
> > >>>The syntax for the shell is different, sure, but then it's a pure
System
> > >>>V based Unix rather than a hodge-podge of BSD/SysV semantics [2].
> > >>>
> > >>>Those of us on the list who are capable of doing 'behind-the-scenes'
> > >>>stuff with the CobaltOS CLI will notice some differences, but the
> > >>>arguments about software availability become null and void when you
> > >>>realise that just about all GNU software and other open-source scheme
> > >>>software will compile under Solaris. I have personally setup Apache,
> > >>>MySQL, PHP, replacements for Sendmail (Exim & Qmail), webmail
packages,
> > >>>Apache modules (mod_ssl, mod_perl and the like) under both Intel and
> > >>>SPARC Solaris without any problems at all. Well, I did have to
compile
> > >>>them ;-) and there's the big difference - there is simply not the
> > >>>precompiled package base for Solaris.
> > >>>(Maybe if Sun used its' marketing weight a little there would be, but
I
> > >>>doubt it.)
> > >>>
> > >>>Sun would be stoopid if it decided to cease supporting the entire
> > >>>current Cobalt product line *unless* it dropped things sequentially.
Who
> > >>>expects to get full support for (say) a RaQ2 in five years time?
That's
> > >>>where lists like this come in useful - we will continue to help out
and
> > >>>support hardware and software which is long-since obsolete since we
have
> > >>>a vested interest in doing so. We after all own and use some of it.
> > >>>
> > >>>IMHO those with no experience of Solaris should maybe go try it out
> > >>>before slagging it off. You would after all not call a similar car to
> > >>>the one you own bad just because you haven't driven it...
> > >>>
> > >>>If Cobalt/Sun decide to make the RaQ5 run Solaris, I doubt it will
> > >>>affect many of us very much with the exception of 'add-on' software
> > >>>packages. Some of the packages will probably get generated by members
of
> > >>>this list - which might mean they get tested better in the first
place,
> > >>>and wouldn't be a bonus!
> > >>>
> > >>>And bear in mind that in order to convert the entire product line to
> > >>>Solaris, Sun would have to make Cobalt's entire development and
support
> > >>>team redundant; or at the very least send them on Solaris retraining
> > >>>courses. I wouldn't think that's financially (or politically!)
> > >>>acceptable, not even for a company as large as Sun.
> > >>>
> > >>>[1] OK, the original thread mutated into this one
> > >>>[2] If you don't know what this means, look up the history of Unix on
> > >>>the web. It all came out of competition, unsurprisingly.
> > >>>
> > >>>Shall we wait until a real announcement before getting hot under the
> > >>>collar? I know I will.
> > >>>
> > >>>Graeme
> > >>>
> > >>>--
> > >>>Graeme Fowler
> > >>>System Administrator
> > >>>WebFusion Internet Solutions
> > >>>
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