Re: [cobalt-users] Mexican ISP + RaQ3 = Aye Caramba!

["Jim O'Regan" <jim@xxxxxxx>]

Had to jump in on this one...

Fathi has made an EXCELLENT point with this response:
  
> Frame relay or fibre optic lines do have the same speed, regardless if
> they're in China, Bangladesh, Cuba or in the US -- and yeah, even in
> Somalia
> they use Cisco routers. Don't the US companies also use Cisco routers?
> Which technology are you refering to?

(Good rant, Fathi!)

I think many of us that follow this list choose not to respond to posts
due to the basic lack of undrestanding of internet concepts by the
posters.

We are an Iowa, USA based ISP.  We get the same sort of goofy
questions/statements about physical location as that of this original
post.  Fathi, don't feel all alone, many of these folks make the same
biggoted comments about regions of the US!

We run BGP via mutli-homed DS3's (by the way, these are actully full 45
meg connections, unlike the VAST majority of providers/hosting companies
that simply SAY that they have these) to two major Tier 1 Global Backbone
Providers..  Right now, we're getting about 76,500 routes from each
connection.  When people speak of finding a good colocation facility or
bandwidth provider, this should be the standard if you are really looking
for reliablity (this goes back to the 99.99% uptime thread).

Many of our customers question our ability to provide high availabilty to
the East and West Coast markets in the US because we're in Iowa (pretty
much the center of the US).  Most ISP's/Hosting people understand that
physical location has pretty much NOTHING to do with availability or
throughput.

Here's a good test:  Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/ and (from wherever you
are) and see how the speed/throughput is.
Now try http://www.cnn.com/ and see how things look.
These two sites are on different Continents.
Both of these are BIG sites with tons of traffic.  Both are very fast.
Geography has NOTHING to do with this; both companies have decided to
invest in their sites to make the highly accessable.

So there you go.  Let's try to keep some sense of how the Internet
actually WORKS before we make statements that don't make sense.  If you're
not sure HOW things actually work, then make sure to post QUESTIONS vs.
STATEMENTS.

Fathi, I'm with you all the way.  And Mike, I'm not trying to slam you;
you just happened to post an example of something that I think needed to
be addressed. 


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On Sat, 13 May 2000, Fathi Said wrote:

> > Mike Fritsch wrote:
> > >
> > > I was thinking it must take forever for DNS to propagate down to other
> > > countires. We are fortunate to have such good technology in the US.
> >
> > Wittgenstein put it this way:
> > "whereof one cannot speak thereof one must remain silent"
> 
> Technology in the US is not superior to any other "technology" in any other
> country. What you say nothing more than nonsense. Apart from that, the term
> "technology" doesn't tell us what you mean. Do you mean "DNS technology"?
> What is DNS technology?
> Do you mean "Internet technology"? What exactly is Internet technology?
> 
> Frame relay or fibre optic lines do have the same speed, regardless if
> they're in China, Bangladesh, Cuba or in the US -- and yeah, even in Somalia
> they use Cisco routers. Don't the US companies also use Cisco routers? Which
> technology are you refering to?
> 
> Or did you refer to the people living in those countries "under the US"?
> Maybe they are just slow...., and lazy? Hmmm? Yes, that probably is the case
> as we do not have another explanation, do we?
> 
> As Dom stated earlier today,..... "whereof one cannot speak thereof one must
> remain silent."
> 
> Fathi
> 
> 
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