Re: [cobalt-users] New Cobalt Chat Rooms on Zeffie.net

["Zeffie" <cobaltlist@xxxxxxxx>]

> On Thu, 13 May 2004 20:32:45 -0400, Zeffie wrote
> > Also if you haven't Joined my lists yet your really should... Lot's
> > of people have already!!! http://zeffie.net/mailman/listinfo
>
> Wait, I don't get this.  You're calling /us/ spammers because we merely
> suggested changing the footer of each email to point towards the new
mailing
> list (so people don't go hunting pointlessly for a nonexistent list), and
> you've sent email after email like this?

Your group stated they would be making changes... it was not a suggestion.

> Zeffie, this seems to have turned into a huge p*ssing contest.  The reason
I
> created the lists was to keep the community living on; instead some
> individuals seem to have turned it into a huge contest about who can offer
the
> better service.  Personally, I don't want to take part in such a thing,
and
> it's evident others such as Jeff don't want to, either.

I don't see it as huge... many of the people that are problems have gone to
your list and perhaps if things work out I will have a happy bunch of
users....

> What do people here want?  I sure as hell don't want 5 million lists.  If
we
> don't centralise content, the community will crumble; arguably if it
hasn't
> already.  I've never, ever known the cobalt community to act this way.
I'm
> dissapointed in some ways, and I really do hope after these lists end,
things
> will go back to the way they've always been.
>

ok. the content is just the archives... I will have those in mbox.gz format
and other places before you have already shown they can setup a complete
archive very fast... I point to http://cobaltusers.com/mailman/listinfo
I hope this is refreshed when all is done and over...

> Why are there redundant lists?  I can understand offering an alternative
> service such as cobaltfacts (zeffie-cobalt, perhaps?), but duplicating the
> same mailing lists days after we created the qbalt lists, seems that the
only
> reason you created the zeffie lists is because they're /your/ lists.  Plea
se
> correct me if I'm wrong, because it's the only logical conclusion I can
reach
> currently; I do hope it's something else.

your getting close :)

> Is there something we're doing/not doing that you want us to?  If there
are
> issues Zeffie, I really do wish to work out what they are.  I just, for
the
> life of me, can't work out what they are.
>
> I know I'm doing this for the community, and as a result, I'll do what the
> community wants.  What *does* the community want?  What do you want?
> R

I have years of work over here that needs to get into the hands of users
both new and old... We stopped with the "look at me" posts a long time
ago... but to kinda fill you in....

I have been working with "computers" for a long time and the Cobalts are no
exception.... I got my first Cobalt RaQ2 in June of 1999 after geting tired
of doing work by hand to setup virts...  I had been using redhat 4,x ish
stuff for the "about" 2-3 years before...  One day (I think it was Duncan)
someone pointed me at the "rpm how to" and I have been building and
re-building and fixing and making and creating and fussing with and even
making some pkg files now and then....

I have a ton of work I would like Cobalt Users to have and I'm not about to
depend on you, your list, or anybody else to meet this goal...

It almost killed me doing it without a community.

So I made this site and these lists so I will hopefully have a place to do
this...
http://zeffie.net/mailman/listinfo
However with people selling updates, and the most basic things.. it means I
have to have everything in a pkg or what I don't know...  I would object to
someone selling my rpms as I have never sold a one.

I have to go work on a farewell speach...

Zeffie...  "Get your Z's with Zeffie"  734-454-9117
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and getting the updated sig in here...