Re: [cobalt-developers] OS-discussion

["E.B. Dreger" <eddy+public+spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:51:07 -0800
> From: Jeff Lasman <jblists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>


> > Those of us who provide proper colo shield our customers from one
> > another by using VLANs terminated on such a router/firewall.
> > Will be bringing up another couple in the next week if certain
> > software packages stabilize.
> 
> Okay Eddy, obviously I've got a lot to learn.  I'd love to keep picking
> your brains on this; for example, any ideas where to get a good
> reference book, or what terms to type in when I search the web?

"VLAN" and ("802.1q" or "trunking") would be what I try.  Or one
could always RTFM the manual for, say, an HP Procurve or other
VLAN-capable switch. :-)

Note that one also needs a capable router to terminate the VLANs;
the connection from the switch to the router must use tags to
successfully trunk the traffic.

And, now that patches such as zlib and Squid seem to be calming
down, I have some OpenBSD firewalls to build for clients. :-)


> Is it time to take this conversation offlist, or are other readers
> interested in it as well?

IMNSHO, others _should_ be interested in this.  Security is a
many-layered process, and this is one layer of many.  Obviously,
encryption helps, but isn't perfect.  And, when it's not much
harder to do it right, why do it wrong?

Or maybe we should go off-list and keep the gems secret, if other
people truly don't care. ;-)

Seriously:  I hope that this stuff doesn't fall on deaf ears.


> > Remember, too, that JunOS is based on FreeBSD.
> 
> So you're saying Juniper has developed a commercial product based on my
> needs <wry grin.?

More or less.  I've not played on a Juniper, but I hear that one
can even get a login prompt.


> I've just decided to leave BSDi OS behind after about six years.  Got
> two boxes never installed, ready to trash 'em if no one on the BSDi
> mailing list writes me and wants 'em.  If you want to see a company
> destroy an operating system, see what WindRiver did when they bought
> BSDi.  Compared to them, Sun Cobalt are amateurs.

Yes, the WR bit was sad.  I'm just glad that they released
FreeBSD from the shackles.  Never played with BSDi, and lost
interest when WR scooped them up.

What hardware are those BSDi boxen?


> > > on it.  As to the corporate culture?  That remains to be seen
> > > <smile>.
> > 
> > Or perhaps <frown>, as the case may be. ;-)
> 
> Aha, we've just discovered the perfect use for my "<wry grin>".

*grin*


> > > You can cut and paste to get "Jörg"; that's what I do
> > 
> > Text console with no mouse. :-)
> 
> So you've solved the email problem <smile>.  Having just looked at the
> new NS6.2 email, which I really expected to be my salvation as I move on
> to a linux-based desktop, I may soon join you.

Response work... and I could always internationalize my system...
I just haven't done it yet.


> No big deal... while I thought I'd remembered you as "Eddy", I had to
> scroll down to make sure, when I started answering this post... I didn't
> want to call you "E.B."; it sounds too formal for a forum <smile>.

Yup, I call myself Eddy.

People call me Eddy, Edward, Ed, as well as some other more
colorful names at times. ;-)  I'll answer to most anything, as
long as it's not too offensive. *grin*


> Jeff (as my first wife used to say, call me anything, except late for
> dinner <smile>)


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